Wallaby Coach after Joe

[Tomthumb]

Nah, McKellar was off to Leicester regardless…

No, he became Wallabies assistant with the main reason being him taking over post World Cup. He only took the Leicester job months after Eddie had already been hired

 

[Tomikin]

One thing (the only thing?) he was good at was the rolling maul.

Lol Jake White won world cups.. he dragged a Brumbies side that was called the Rio Madrid of rugby from 11th to finals. He set a standard that till this day is still there.

He will never come back to Australia rugby, we picked McKenzie over him and rightly so but I bet his dirty over that still.

 

[Slim 293]

No, he became Wallabies assistant with the main reason being him taking over post World Cup. He only took the Leicester job months after Eddie had already been hired

Nope… the announcement that he was joining Leicester only came a month after Rennie was sacked.

He was heading over there regardless to take a guaranteed head coaching job, which he explained at the time, especially because it was highly unlikely he was taking over the Wallabies job despite the initial succession plan based on the Wallabies’ recent results.

 

[Slim 293]

One thing (the only thing?) he was good at was the rolling maul.

That’s weird, the Brumbies developed their maul after he left…

 

[Tomthumb]

Nope… the announcement that he was joining Leicester only came a month after Rennie was sacked.

He was heading over there regardless to take a guaranteed head coaching job, which he explained at the time, especially because it was highly unlikely he was taking over the Wallabies job despite the initial succession plan based on the Wallabies’ recent results.

You don’t say

 

[Slim 293]

You don’t say

Ummmm, yeah… the hiring process began well before Rennie got the sack.

But this was all known two years ago.

 

[PhilClinton]

Take with grain of salt but talking to a Wobs old boy last night and I was having a spat about Doran giving false mail on coaching timelines. He tells me the original article stating an announcement was due about a month ago was in fact legitimate.

One of the external candidates (I’m assuming O’Gara) was set to sign, but the ongoing consultation terms with Schmidt were too heavy handed according to the candidate as it included oversight through to the end of 2027.

Likely now that one of the three known SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) coaching candidates will be picked and will sign off on the consulting arrangement.

 

[Derpus]

Take with grain of salt but talking to a Wobs old boy last night and I was having a spat about Doran giving false mail on coaching timelines. He tells me the original article stating an announcement was due about a month ago was in fact legitimate.

One of the external candidates (I’m assuming O’Gara) was set to sign, but the ongoing consultation terms with Schmidt they felt were too heavy handed as it included oversight through to the end of 2027.

Likely now that one of the three known SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) coaching candidates will be picked and will sign off on the consulting arrangement.

Noooooo

 

[Wilson]

Take with grain of salt but talking to a Wobs old boy last night and I was having a spat about Doran giving false mail on coaching timelines. He tells me the original article stating an announcement was due about a month ago was in fact legitimate.

One of the external candidates (I’m assuming O’Gara) was set to sign, but the ongoing consultation terms with Schmidt they felt were too heavy handed as it included oversight through to the end of 2027.

Likely now that one of the three known SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) coaching candidates will be picked and will sign off on the consulting arrangement.

RA or the external candidate felt that way?

 

[PhilClinton]

RA or the external candidate felt that way?

Sorry I’ll clarify in the post - candidate felt that way.

It sounds like RA’s willingness to throw the kitchen sink at Schmidt to get him to stay might be causing issues now with ongoing involvement.

For the record this is the same old boy who told me over a year ago that the vibe at RA was 99% sure Schmidt and Cron would walk away after the BIL (despite the media releases saying confident to retain him) and seemed pretty frustrated with the lack of transparency from those guys about their intentions. I posted about that at the time. Potentially a good coach but maybe not so good to deal with in these matters.

 

[PhilClinton]

I am expecting the media release to sound like either:

- SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) coach announced as the new Wallabies coach and specific call out that Schmidt will remain a consultant through till end of RWC 2027. Sounds like this is RA and Schmidt preference.

- External coach announced with either no specific mention of Schmidt or that he may be available to consult post-BIL. Sounds like RA would be upsetting ‘their man’ if they went this way now.

 

[Wilson]

Sorry I’ll clarify in the post - candidate felt that way.

It sounds like RA’s willingness to throw the kitchen sink at Schmidt to get him to stay might be causing issues now with ongoing involvement.

For the record this is the same old boy who told me over a year ago that the vibe at RA was 99% sure Schmidt and Cron would walk away after the BIL (despite the media releases saying confident to retain him) and seemed pretty frustrated with the lack of transparency from those guys about their intentions. I posted about that at the time. Potentially a good coach but maybe not so good to deal with in these matters.

Yeah, I figured that would be the case. I don't necessarily mind that depending on the candidate - if we're talking a first time international coach (like O'Gara or any of the local options), I think that heavy involvement from Schmidt is going to be important to avoid some of the pitfalls we see when coaches first make the step up, though I don't love the word 'oversight', I'd hope it's more assistance and support, than any sort of authority. It also helps that as long as he's contracted to us he won't be working for NZ, which does matter a bit.

If it was an experienced international coach (like Cotter or Joseph), I'm less happy with it, those guys have that exposure already and are going to need more room to run their own ship.

Cheika is probably the exception to all this, for all of his experience I wouldn't touch him unless he was now willing to work as part of a system, with some degree of oversight. The game is too fragile here to weather the all or nothing approach he brought in the past.

 

[Tomthumb]

Take with grain of salt but talking to a Wobs old boy last night and I was having a spat about Doran giving false mail on coaching timelines. He tells me the original article stating an announcement was due about a month ago was in fact legitimate.

One of the external candidates (I’m assuming O’Gara) was set to sign, but the ongoing consultation terms with Schmidt were too heavy handed according to the candidate as it included oversight through to the end of 2027.

Likely now that one of the three known SRP (Super Rugby Pacific) (Super Rugby Pacific) coaching candidates will be picked and will sign off on the consulting arrangement.

This is gonna end badly if this is indeed the case

Whoever gets the gig is going to be mearly a puppet for a guy living in NZ, and all the players will know it. Will completely set the new guy up for failure

 

[Major Tom]

This is gonna end badly if this is indeed the case

Whoever gets the gig is going to be mearly a puppet for a guy living in NZ, and all the players will know it. Will completely set the new guy up for failure

lol you’re acting like this is Darth Sidious we’re talking about. He’s just gonna be a consultant, not like he’s trying to take over Aus Rugby.
I’m more concerned about getting the right assistant coaches than the head coach.

 

[Tomthumb]

lol you’re acting like this is Darth Sidious we’re talking about. He’s just gonna be a consultant, not like he’s trying to take over Aus Rugby.
I’m more concerned about getting the right assistant coaches than the head coach.

The coach needs to be the head of the snake for it to work. The coach needs to have (or be perceived) to have autonomy over decisions. This idea doesn’t work

This just feels like Schmidt wanting his cake and eating it too. Either commit to being the coach or let the next man up have the job

 

[Wilson]

The coach needs to be the head of the snake for it to work. The coach needs to have (or be perceived) to have autonomy over decisions. This idea doesn’t work

This just feels like Schmidt wanting his cake and eating it too. Either commit to being the coach or let the next man up have the job

Look, I'm not saying it's the ideal setup (there's a reason it's not the norm), but it absolutely can and has worked at the highest level.

 

[PhilClinton]

The coach needs to be the head of the snake for it to work. The coach needs to have (or be perceived) to have autonomy over decisions. This idea doesn’t work

This just feels like Schmidt wanting his cake and eating it too. Either commit to being the coach or let the next man up have the job

You and I haven’t seen eye to eye on a few things lately (I still think McKellar is a huge peanut) but I agree here.

Regardless of who the coach is, I’m never a fan of the consultant or Director of Rugby type scenarios.

 

[PhilClinton]

Look, I'm not saying it's the ideal setup (there's a reason it's not the norm), but it absolutely can and has worked at the highest level.
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That is a good point, but I feel like there is a common agreement and style within Bok rugby. They’ve all got the same mentality in regards to their coaching philosophy because rugby is in their DNA.

Not quite the same here.

 

[Major Tom]

The coach needs to be the head of the snake for it to work. The coach needs to have (or be perceived) to have autonomy over decisions. This idea doesn’t work

This just feels like Schmidt wanting his cake and eating it too. Either commit to being the coach or let the next man up have the job

Hmm not sure it’s that simple mate. In theory this “snake” would have many heads - Waugh, Herbert, Horne, selected coach and consultant. As long as everyone pulls together it will work.

 

[Tomthumb]

Look, I'm not saying it's the ideal setup (there's a reason it's not the norm), but it absolutely can and has worked at the highest level.
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Apples and oranges. Rassie still ran every training session, made all the calls on game day and was in every way apart from title the head coach. It was simply done so he had to do less media and to help his friends CV