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wobbly

Fred Wood (13)
It's going to be interesting to see where Jake White puts McCabe and therefore what his 13 pecking order is. Andrew Smith is reportedly injured, but deserves his spot on form IMO. There's some debate on whether Tomane or Speight moved to 13 when he went off. I saw Tomane there mostly and I think he has some excellent attributes that would make him a great 13. Kudriani was a revelation for a few games last season and I think most agree that McCabe's time as a 12 are over, and Mogg is undroppable at FB.

I want to see more of Mogg under pressure, his defense and under the high ball. The Sharks and Stormers games are most likely to provide that. But he'll if he stands up, then his speed, elusiveness and that big boot are a pretty big puzzle piece that the Wallabies have missed since Latho. Very impressed with his two try assists on the weekend.
 

No4918

John Hipwell (52)
Tl12, agree about McCabe and am optimistic it may happen. White seems intent on playing a To'omua/Lilo pair, started with that last season before injuries and now this year also. Speight, Mogg and Rathbone have all been solid and while Smith hasn't let them down, he is probably the most likely to make way for McCabe.

He could set the world on fire at 13 though and Deans would probably go with one of the other options.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
It's going to be interesting to see where Jake White puts McCabe and therefore what his 13 pecking order is.

What may be even more interesting is how McCabe goes defensively on his return. The guy broke his neck. I would imagine there being some issues putting his head anywhere near a raging Tuilangi straight away. I would certainly forgive him for being a bit hesitant!
 

Try-ranosaurus Rex

Darby Loudon (17)
It's going to be interesting to see where Jake White puts McCabe and therefore what his 13 pecking order is.

I raised this exact question over on the Brumbies 2013 thread. If I had a crystal ball I'd say that Paddy McCabe is going to end up at 13 for the Ponies this year and as a result could potentially stake a claim on the Wallabies 13 jersey further down the track.

McCabe has proven himself to be a robust, strong running footballer. While he doesn't have the sheer bulk to be considered as a battering ram, he is definitly a player that 'plays above his weight'. He seemingly adapted very well to the centres in 2011 after playing just a couple of games at 12 for the Brumbs and (rightly or wrongly - it is an endless debate) ended up playing a WC campaign at 12 and earning much praise for his brave efforts against the Saffas in the QF.

He has a history of being a strong running fullback or wing, which is where a number of the great number 13's earned their stripes. Mortlock, Little, Umunga etc all had strong careers at 13 but were not unfamiliar playing on the wing.

I just think that 13 could suit his game style...

There's one for the crystal ball
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I don't call his efforts brave against SA. IMO its slightly selfish to stay on whilst injured, he was clearly affected by his injury and his performance worsened, he was missing tackles on JdV.
 

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
He missed plenty of tackles, it was only great cover defence they kept us together. IIRC he missed the one which led the try (forward pass).
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Unfortunately I can't retrieve the stats but I don't recall him missing many tackles at all.........

Edit: he missed a couple.........
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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Richo

John Thornett (49)
13 is certainly a position where there may be a dissonance in selection between form and test experience. Given its positional complexities, I'd think that the only options there are AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), FTA and McCabe (even though he's played at 12, he is a Deans favourite and has a few caps to his name). None of those players have been the best 13 in Super Rugby so far, but no one is really putting their hand up for it either.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
Robinson
Moore
Palmer

Gives us a rock solid front row, our best at scrummaging, which we will absolutely need for at least the first half of each game so we don't piss the ref off.

Douglas
Horwill (Fardy)

Two form locks at this stage. Horwill a shoe in if fit. Two excellent lineout operators, who get their rocks off by smashing people in the rucks and shifting bodies. Fardy also is quite handy at ball pilfering and is a damn good runner of the ball.

McMeniman
Hooper
Mowen

MMM because he just lives to hurt people. He'll probably only last a game or two, but the damage he's likely to cause int hat time is more than other options will. Hooper as the incumbent, and Mowen for his lineout prowess. Its all good to have 4 jumpers, but if there isn't anyone who can call it well, you're buggered.

Genia
Cooper

Assuming they can find form and get their combo right, our best bet. White/Lealiifano is uncapped, so these two are the best.

Ioane - Obvious

Lealiifano
Fainga'a

Controversial certainly. Lealiifano is an excellent defender, and his ball running is very strong. He has the ability to play a direct game, but also with the passing game that Tapuia doesn't have. His goal kicking is also arguably the best in Aus behind Beiber. If Beiber was injured, who would kick?
Fainga'a purely and simply for his defence. Tuilagi is going to be the 13, if we don't have someone capable of dropping him to the turf immediately, we're going to pay. Fainga'a is the only option who's played 13 who will make dominant tackles, and tackles on the other side of the gainline. The leg up that will provide the pack and the momentum it generates, is just as valuable to a team as being good at running the ball. He doesn't choke backlines, and willl be able to hit Cooper's long passes at speed and keep the backline STRAIGHT. Also played a lot of rugby with Lealiifano so there is a reasonable combination there (albiet one position out for both of them).

Beiber
Beale

Beiber played all of his best rugby at wing, and likewise for Beale at FB. Beale is not a test 10, and Beiber's strengths best suit him to playing out wide with space and speed to work with. Simple.

TPN
Alexander

2nd best hooker, best bench prop option. Come on at 50mins and use his open field game, plus freshness will help his scrummaging.

Fardy
Higgers
Gill

Fardy is in excellent form, but you could argue Pyle or Carter could be there instead. Simmons isn't doing enough, Timani is a lineout liability, Neville is still raw. Higgers would be an excellent player coming off the bench, but the same could be said for MMM. Gill as the less-experienced 7 gets the bench role. Him coming on with 20mins to go would cause havock for the Lions at the breakdown.

White
Tapuai
Mogg

White obviously, Taps would be great to inject into the centres as he can play both. Mogg as his form dictates it, though AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is obviously hard to leave out. Its hard to tell is he's badly out of form, or just Tah-itis, but at this stage his form is horrible.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
Staff member
Robinson
Moore
Palmer

Gives us a rock solid front row, our best at scrummaging, which we will absolutely need for at least the first half of each game so we don't piss the ref off.

Douglas
Horwill (Fardy)

Two form locks at this stage. Horwill a shoe in if fit. Two excellent lineout operators, who get their rocks off by smashing people in the rucks and shifting bodies. Fardy also is quite handy at ball pilfering and is a damn good runner of the ball.

McMeniman
Hooper
Mowen

MMM because he just lives to hurt people. He'll probably only last a game or two, but the damage he's likely to cause int hat time is more than other options will. Hooper as the incumbent, and Mowen for his lineout prowess. Its all good to have 4 jumpers, but if there isn't anyone who can call it well, you're buggered.

Genia
Cooper

Assuming they can find form and get their combo right, our best bet. White/Lealiifano is uncapped, so these two are the best.

Ioane - Obvious

Lealiifano
Fainga'a

Controversial certainly. Lealiifano is an excellent defender, and his ball running is very strong. He has the ability to play a direct game, but also with the passing game that Tapuia doesn't have. His goal kicking is also arguably the best in Aus behind Beiber. If Beiber was injured, who would kick?
Fainga'a purely and simply for his defence. Tuilagi is going to be the 13, if we don't have someone capable of dropping him to the turf immediately, we're going to pay. Fainga'a is the only option who's played 13 who will make dominant tackles, and tackles on the other side of the gainline. The leg up that will provide the pack and the momentum it generates, is just as valuable to a team as being good at running the ball. He doesn't choke backlines, and willl be able to hit Cooper's long passes at speed and keep the backline STRAIGHT. Also played a lot of rugby with Lealiifano so there is a reasonable combination there (albiet one position out for both of them).

Beiber
Beale

Beiber played all of his best rugby at wing, and likewise for Beale at FB. Beale is not a test 10, and Beiber's strengths best suit him to playing out wide with space and speed to work with. Simple.

TPN
Alexander

2nd best hooker, best bench prop option. Come on at 50mins and use his open field game, plus freshness will help his scrummaging.

Fardy
Higgers
Gill

Fardy is in excellent form, but you could argue Pyle or Carter could be there instead. Simmons isn't doing enough, Timani is a lineout liability, Neville is still raw. Higgers would be an excellent player coming off the bench, but the same could be said for MMM. Gill as the less-experienced 7 gets the bench role. Him coming on with 20mins to go would cause havock for the Lions at the breakdown.

White
Tapuai
Mogg

White obviously, Taps would be great to inject into the centres as he can play both. Mogg as his form dictates it, though AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is obviously hard to leave out. Its hard to tell is he's badly out of form, or just Tah-itis, but at this stage his form is horrible.
Not a bad team.
Question over Horwill, simply as we haven't seen him yet, but if he gets back to decent form, for sure.
Same too for Ant Fainga'a, but he has plenty of time to stake that claim, or not. I reckon AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) will be picked there, not that I am convinced he definitely should be. For me, it is a wide open spot, so hopefully someone makes it theirs. Fainga'a could do it.
Tapuai would also have a good claim at 12, but I do like Lealiifano.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
OH it'll most likely be

Genia
Beale
Ioane
Tapuai
AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
Cummins
Barnes

...but one can dream that we might actually pick a team of players playing well, and in position right?
 

USARugger

John Thornett (49)
I've been saying it for over a year now, someone needs to play McCabe at 13.
His game-play suits a Mortlock-Esque type outside center. Defensively, having Tapuai and McCabe defending Tuilagi/Roberts/O'Driscoll (whoever), makes me feel a lot better then having AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) there.

AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is definitely in a slump of form right now but I don't ever remember him having defensive issues in the Wallaby #13 jersey, quite the opposite in fact. He puts the opposing outside backs under some pretty huge pressure, is a good tackler and are we already forgetting the South African double-tackle special?!

If McCabe was 3" taller, 10kg heavier, and was more skilled in every aspect of the game then I would consider using him like Mortlock. The problem is he is none of those things and attitude alone has probably taken him as far as he is going to go in rugby. He's a less dominant defender than Ant and really doesn't offer much extra in attack than Ant besides a bit of pace.

Also, if you're so worried about defense in the centres then why have Tapuai at 12 and not Lealiifano?
 
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