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Wallabies vs Boks Bloemfontein

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barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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OK, I'll say it and am standing by to receive all incoming fire. To paraphrase Shania Twain (there's a way to get your argument off on the right foot if ever I saw one), McCalman didnt impress me much. Yes, he was a marginal improvement on Brown, yes he did the basic stuff OK but to me he didnt play like a true test #8 (yes, I know it was his first run on cap). Where were the bulldozing runs? Where was the smashing of pillars at the ruck? Where did he put the Jarpies in two minds when they thought "shit, it's McCalman, what are we going to do? How can we stop him?" To compound my weird theory, and I cant believe I'm saying this, I think that bringing Mad Dog on as a substitute was a warranted and appropriate move.

Am now taking cover........

To paraphrase Meatloaf (way better way to start an argument), you took the words right out of my mouth. And im pretty sure it wasnt when you were kissing me. Not that I was unimpressed by McCalman, he just didnt do much that made me sit up and take notice. You need your 8 to be bashing guys in attack and defence, and while McC was solid he hardly threatened the well-being of the Boks. Good for a 6, maybe not an 8.
 

Spewn

Alex Ross (28)
He got driven back first hit up and then got well over the second time. I think he and Brown are similar. Tough country boys but not big enough.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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I agree with you cyc but don't get me wrong, his pace and finishing skills have the potential to be dynamite for the Wallabies. Take him on the EOYT, run him in some mid week games and let him stake his claim there. If he does so, he would be a great addition.

EOYT is a great idea for him, would love to see him go.
 

Sandpit Fan

Nev Cottrell (35)
Do we have the players? I think we do.

I was watching some Currie Cup rugby after the game (we get the live feed here), and it just highlighted the amount of good players you guys have running around. Top game - Sharks vs Bulls, would never have picked the bulls to win, they were getting belted in the first half.

Really wish we had something similar, but that's something for another thread.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
I was watching some Currie Cup rugby after the game (we get the live feed here), and it just highlighted the amount of good players you guys have running around. Top game - Sharks vs Bulls, would never have picked the bulls to win, they were getting belted in the first half.

Really wish we had something similar, but that's something for another thread.

There is some fantastic talent running around in the CC. It's the best quality CC rugby I have seen in years.

The fans also seem to be voting with their feet.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
I agree with you cyc but don't get me wrong, his pace and finishing skills have the potential to be dynamite for the Wallabies. Take him on the EOYT, run him in some mid week games and let him stake his claim there. If he does so, he would be a great addition.

Hell yes.
 

vidiot

John Solomon (38)
Still not a farken word about the match after the preview on rugby365. Poor form.

Apparently Giteau was the difference between the two teams (9/10) and they have trouble differentiating Beale and Genia.

Gits did have a pretty good game, though. Interesting to see Cooper very effective running at 2nd receiver at times outside Giteau.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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The 365 Aussie player ratings are shockers (at http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/trinat/news/2634492.htm). Firstly, Giteau didn't throw the pass for the first try. Second, Genia didnt throw it over Coopers head, it was Beale. Thirdly, only a 2/10 for Moore? Really? And MOTM honours for Giteau?

I know he's not an Aussie and probably wasn't watching us that closely but it once again makes me wonder about the world standard of rugby journalism.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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The 365 Aussie player ratings are shockers (at http://www.rugby365.com/tournaments/trinat/news/2634492.htm). Firstly, Giteau didn't throw the pass for the first try. Second, Genia didnt throw it over Coopers head, it was Beale. Thirdly, only a 2/10 for Moore? Really? And MOTM honours for Giteau?

I know he's not an Aussie and probably wasn't watching us that closely but it once again makes me wonder about the world standard of rugby journalism.

You're too kind, barbarian. I reckon most of us could rate the Bok players a damn sight better than that. Ridiculous level of journalism, if you can even call it that.
 

dobduff11

Trevor Allan (34)
apparently slipper needs to improve his work rate, i thought that was one of his positives.

I think that is a typo for stephen moore no way he should have got less than maafu, probably got confused cos he plays hooker

"Australian hooker Saia Fainga'a was suspended for two weeks on Sunday, after being found guilty of a dangerous tackle."

Fair enough punishment for plain stupidity, only question is why barnes waited to go over and see what happened to flip before he gave saia the card
 

Spewn

Alex Ross (28)
Does anyone agree that Pieterson is a blight on the game. Just watching him at about the 38th minute after being warned for coming in from the side. Just dives in from off side and then kicks the ball away. Previously he scratched the crap out of quade's face. Someone should give him one. Also, did you see the chili boy give fatcat a gobful at a breakdown. Pathetic.
 

TheRiddler

Dave Cowper (27)
To paraphrase Meatloaf (way better way to start an argument), you took the words right out of my mouth. And im pretty sure it wasnt when you were kissing me.

Hmmm, what a quandary!

I think a drinking sesh with Mr Loaf followed by a horizontal session with Ms Twain could be a fun way to spend a few hours.

shania-twain.jpg
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Wallaby fans will put the score at half time down to great attack in the first 40. Most bok fans are fuming over the bad Bok defense. I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

The Bok defense just does not look well drilled like it did in 2009. I watched the first half again and the Wallaby execution was excellent, but two of those tries involved two very badly missed tackles in the same phase. At this level, it's game over. There has been no improvement since Auckland which points to coaching.

I am probably sounding like a stuck record but we miss the defense of Brussow as much as we miss his pinching exploits. Last year he pulled off some incredible tackles. Spies is a defensive passenger when compared to Heinrich.

I don't mind losing. Hell, I picked the Wobs by 5. But I detest losing like idiots.

http://www.keo.co.za/2010/09/04/defensive-flaws-flogs-boks-again/#more-67678
RYAN VREDE writes that the Springboks’ defensive incompetence in the first half cost them victory.

Certainly to rebound from 31-6 down is a notable feat and speaks of character. The comeback was facilitated by an exponentially improved defensive effort and more clinical execution on attack. But ultimately it means nothing, and the Springboks have only themselves to blame for the defeat, their fifth in six matches.

Defensive failings have marked their campaign to date. But none of their performances in this regard have been so utterly shambolic, so diabolical, as what was on show in the first 40 minutes.

If they were defensively impotent last week, seven days later they were completely useless for 40 minutes. John Smit said after the Loftus win that a defensive performance like that wouldn’t win them the World Cup. Tonight’s effort would have seen them struggle against Grey Bloem.

They had the intensity of ballerinas at the tackle point and the accuracy of men cuffed and blindfolded, routinely falling off straight up hits. That’s when they put themselves in a position to make the hit, because on more than one occasion a flapping arm at a passing Aussie took the place of a conventional tackle. There was no evidence of the outside-in defence that was employed so successfully in 2009. There was none of the composure, controlled brutality, trust or communication that marked that period. The world champions defended like the chumps of the rugby world.

They missed an astonishing 15 tackles in the first half alone, and on five occasions missed two or more in the same move. Thrice those errors led to tries, the worst of which culminated in the Wallabies’ bonus-point score, where Bryan Habana and Jannie du Plessis failed, horribly, to scrag Drew Mitchell.

That saw them fall 31-6 down just 25 minutes into the game and at that point it seemed as if a caning was on the cards. Skipper Smit couldn’t rouse his troops because he was saving his energy for getting as much of the thin highveld air into his lungs as possible. He wasn’t alone in his patent fatigue, with numerous other heavies breathing so deeply I doubt there was any oxygen left in Bloem at half-time.

It would be acceptable if the onset of fatigue crept up without notice. But it didn’t. De Villiers was acutely aware that some of his key players were running on hope and adrenalin heading into the match. But the Bloem public’s viewing pleasure was deemed more important than a competent performance. That ludicrous decision was exposed.

Another perplexing call brutally exposed for its folly is the continued absence of a specialist openside flank. Such a player would have aided the Springboks’ ability to stifle the Wallabies’ attacking flow. Yet it was the visitors who dictated the pace with which the first half was played at. And it was a pace that caught the Springboks cold.

The the tide turned with Jaque Fourie’s late first half try. For 79 minutes it looked to be the significant score in the context of the result. The same diabolical Springboks lifted their performance markedly after the lock’s solo special, and in doing so exposed the Wallabies’ penchant for capitulating under pressure. Oh they are glorious and entertaining when faced with a feeble effort they were in the first half. But seldom has a Test team been as gutless, so defensively generous and so rudderless on attack, when under the pump.

But just as it seemed as if the Springboks had flogged the last bit of life out of their wounded foe, a defensive lapse gifted Mitchell a try, and with that hope was revived.

Kurtley Beale’s 50m dream killer after the siren had sounded plunged the Springboks into despair. But they will be mistaken to credit his accuracy, skill and composure for the defeat. They must reflect on a shocking first half for the root cause.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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The defensive failings of the Boks look all the worse when you compare them to the incredible successes achieved by the Stormers in the S14. You can't expect to win World Cups when you can defend that badly for that long. Brussow is so badly missed in all facets, the Boks desperately need a fetcher. A ruck pest who demands more numbers be comitted to the breakdown.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Hmmm, what a quandary!

I think a drinking sesh with Mr Loaf followed by a horizontal session with Ms Twain could be a fun way to spend a few hours.

shania-twain.jpg

I would venture the other way round would be better - your way, the first might preclude the second.
 

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Is Saia officially suspended? Feck.

I think Edmonds would get bashed around at 3Ns level. Also, he wouldn't get the time and space to play his pretty amazing running game.

But.. what other solutions would there be?
 
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