Wallabies vs All Blacks 10th August @Optus Stadium Perth

[Dismal Pillock]

ffs the degrees of butthurt in those "news" articles are embarrassing.

"The foreign player was running with the rugby football in an overly menacing manner and should be sanctioned."

 

[Braveheart81]

I do think JOC (James O'Connor) was lucky he didn't connect with anything when ALB scored because he did slide in with his foot. If he'd connected it would have definitely been dangerous play.

It is laughable to claim that Hooper tried to bat the ball dead. It seems pretty clear he didn't and was trying to ground the ball and that is why it didn't go dead. That person also needs to learn the laws of the game. There is no penalty for unsuccessfully batting the ball into touch/touch in goal. If you fail to do the thing it hasn't happened.

 

[TSR]

I will say that I would like the refs to be stronger on neck rolls. Not sure there were 14 - but if there were that just shows how bad it has become. I also noticed in the lead up to Koriobete’s try there were at least two Australian’s (Naisarani & Rodda from memory) who cleaned out with their shoulder and their arm in the sling position (although neither made contact with an ABs head).

Articles like these are rubbish - taking the moral high ground where none exists - but there is still some way to go in protecting player welfare.

With regards to the comment above - I did think at the time Hooper was lucky he didn’t make contact with the ball. He certainly seemed to be trying to bat it dead to me. But he missed - so the complaint is stupid.

 

[Forcefield]

Did anyone else notice the high tackle Richie M but on LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) when LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) scored? Don't see anyone in NZ commenting on that...

 

[Braveheart81]

With regards to the comment above - I did think at the time Hooper was lucky he didn’t make contact with the ball. He certainly seemed to be trying to bat it dead to me. But he missed - so the complaint is stupid.

He did make contact with the ball.

Check the replay. I think his hand/arm movement is very much in a downward direction.

The ball was a long way off the ground and he's off balance running towards the dead ball line. It's an almost impossible situation to ground the ball one handed from.

 

[cyclopath]

I did see this raised elsewhere and Kerevi is totally fine. The article is ridiculous.

Kerevi is entitled to bump into the tackler like he did as long as he keeps his arms tucked in to his body. He certainly can't raise his arm and strike the tackler with his forearm.

For relief of butthurt.

 

[Dctarget]

Finally sitting down for a 2nd watching of the game because we all deserve it and I'm taking some notes. Just at HT now, but I can safely say that the red card had no influence on the game whatsoever.
Why?
Because Scott Barrett is a bloody passenger and he was dead weight to begin with.

I've noted his total involvement in the forty minutes:
- Scott runs it into contact and is absolutely smacked by Rodda and AAAs, drops the ball cold.
- A few minutes later, Scott decides to run it again and Rodda, this time with Arnold spank him silly in the tackle. Completely floored.
- 10 minutes later, Rodda has decided he wants to really fucking ruin Scott's day and runs a good line at him, Scott is completely brushed off, doesn't even raise his arm to tackle him, same arm to the later Hooper tackle. Don't know if this is typical for Scott or he was carrying a dead arm. Rodda gleefully canters past.
- Last involvement for the game, elbows Hooper's head. Ends NZ's chance of winning the game.

 

[TSR]

He did make contact with the ball.

Check the replay. I think his hand/arm movement is very much in a downward direction.

The ball was a long way off the ground and he's off balance running towards the dead ball line. It's an almost impossible situation to ground the ball one handed from.

Sorry - I’m should have said I though Hooper was lucky he didn’t make stronger contact with the ball.

It looks to me like he is trying to bat it dead. He probably isn’t - he’d know beyond doubt you can’t do that which was one of the reasons I found it weird - but he does look to me like he is trying to.

 

[cyclopath]

Finally sitting down for a 2nd watching of the game because we all deserve it and I'm taking some notes. Just at HT now, but I can safely say that the red card had no influence on the game whatsoever.
Why?
Because Scott Barrett is a bloody passenger and he was dead weight to begin with.

I've noted his total involvement in the forty minutes:
- Scott runs it into contact and is absolutely smacked by Rodda and AAAs, drops the ball cold.
- A few minutes later, Scott decides to run it again and Rodda, this time with Arnold spank him silly in the tackle. Completely floored.
- 10 minutes later, Rodda has decided he wants to really fucking ruin Scott's day and runs a good line at him, Scott is completely brushed off, doesn't even raise his arm to tackle him, same arm to the later Hooper tackle. Don't know if this is typical for Scott or he was carrying a dead arm. Rodda gleefully canters past.
- Last involvement for the game, elbows Hooper's head. Ends NZ's chance of winning the game.

Something of a step-down from Retallick, for sure.

 

[cyclopath]

He did make contact with the ball.

Check the replay. I think his hand/arm movement is very much in a downward direction.

The ball was a long way off the ground and he's off balance running towards the dead ball line. It's an almost impossible situation to ground the ball one handed from.

In real time viewing it looked like an attempt to "one-hand" plant the ball down. Low likelihood of success. If he was trying to bat it dead, it would have been a more lateral movement. With all the falling down going on, I was thinking "sniper" in a soccer game!

 

[Micheal]

One thing I noticed as well during my rewatch was the sheer frequency that players - other than White - were passing from the base of the ruck, and the extent to which White and Lealifano got involved in rucks.

It'd be interesting to see if this is part of the game plan to speed up our play.

If Whitey gets there first, he's halfback. If you're there first, you're halfback. You're all fucking half-backs. You're all fucking flankers too. Don't give them a moments rest.

Our clean out accuracy was good too. Both components allowed us to play in an absolute frenzy.

 

[chasmac]

The possession stats for the first half are remarkable to me.
It seems NZ did pretty well when they had the ball, they did score 2 tries in each half.
So how did the Wallabies do it (control possession in the first half) ?
I have some thoughts;
1) Minimal useless kicks in general play.
2) White was fast, accurate and made good decisions.
3) There was alot of composure.
4) Set piece is no longer a weakness.
5) Clear plan was being implemented where everyone seemed to know their roles.
5) We won the collisions and owned the gameline.
6) The players looked like they were enjoying themselves.
7) Izzy who ??

Love to see it.
Hope it becomes a built in feature of the Wallabies play.
Seems to me we are getting the benefit of Scott Johnson and Snoz in more areas than just the selection table.

 

[Joe Blow]

I seriously doubt well be able to get that kind of go-forward again. Very impressive though

Maybe we will. It was noticeable that when our confidence picked up the forwards went even harder and were getting more metres. The first 15 minutes last test was brutal from both sides packs and then ours started to win the war of attrition. They should go into next week with confidence in their ability to aim up in the collisions.

 

[The torpedo]

This is peak delusion. We're in dangerous territory here chaps, possibly approaching a psychological break. This is what happens when the self-image of a nation is too finely balanced on the outcome of a single sporting team.

I don't wanna know how they'll react if we pull it off and win in Eden Park.

On second thoughts, I actually do.

 

[KOB1987]

 

[cyclopath]

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And people on Twitter asking "How is Barrett supposed to tackle Hooper?"
I got this.
1. He IS tackled, so redundant.
2. Try tackling, not removing his head with an elbow / shoulder. And see point 1.
I'm amazed this is being actually debated. Although from the still shot above (the full clip looks even worse) they might claim mitigating circumstances :- "I tripped" or "My eyes were closed at the time"

 

[Joe King]

Hey, did anyone see the Wallabies breathing technique after they scored a try? They all breathed in and out together a couple of times. Did they do this in the last couple of games or is it new? It reminds me of a certain successful school boy team that does this (or at least, use to).

 

[dru]

And people on Twitter asking "How is Barrett supposed to tackle Hooper?"
I got this.
1. He IS tackled, so redundant.
2. Try tackling, not removing his head with an elbow / shoulder. And see point 1.
I'm amazed this is being actually debated. Although from the still shot above (the full clip looks even worse) they might claim mitigating circumstances :- "I tripped" or "My eyes were closed at the time"

My god Hooper is one tough bastard. They seriously targeted him, and did not miss. And the guy just bounced through it. Hail Hooper, captain of the Wallabies.

 

[Joe King]

Anyway, the thing I appreciated most was the humility of the Wallabies players after the game (or at least the ones that were interviewed). They all seemed so much more grounded than usual - not getting ahead of themselves, etc. I really love that.

 

[Piglet]

Even saltier...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby...grWDAM1ofL-5hIh7-jdzMVyppo_bjipzD8q0#comments

I have a number of Kiwi supporting colleagues, and they are great sporting types when their teams win (Crusaders and All Blacks) , which is pretty much most of the time.

You should have seen the howls of despair after Saturday's game, blaming the ref, blaming the decisions, and every excuse under the sun. This is what happens when, after so many years of success on the rugby pitch, they get this almost sense of entitlement of winning.

Pathetic really. Just like the article linked to above.