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Greg Davis (50)
A cocky all blacks fan around world cup time, either he has been in a coma since 87 or is less than 4 years old.
Wallabies V Samoa - Test 2011
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Dave Cowper (27)
Forget what players weights are quoted as.. pure fiction.
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Michael Lynagh (62)
On a slightly related topic, there were 6 starters in the side from the lacklustre Brumbies, who not only were our 4th best team for the year, but also had internal team issues for a lot of the season, including the early season sacking of there coach and the replacement coach having a very public spray at his players. With most of the Reds rested, you would've expected the second placed Tahs and third placed Force to have more players represented in the side than the disappointing Brumbies. It shows how many other players are unavailable (or rested) from the Tahs (Beale, Mitchell, Barnes, Robinson, Burgess, Palu, TPN) and Force (J'OC, Pocock).
edit: starting team breakdown - 6 Brumbies, 2 Tahs, 3 Force, 2 Force, 2 Reds. Astonishing given the respective placings of the teams - again highlighting the key missing players.
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Balls_SlanderandRuck
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Yeah that was just before the RWC last time around i believe. They heavily beat us and the Boks in Dublin, fairly sure it was the same year they handed England their as on their plate with a 30/40 point mauling. Real shame they fell apart, even the Kiwi press were talking them up! :lmao:
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Michael Lynagh (62)
When exactly were Ireland ranked 2nd? I am struggling to find it, looking here:
http://www.irb.com/rankings/archive/year=2007.html
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Michael Lynagh (62)
The closest Ireland came to 2nd was a brief flirtation with 4th, from what I can see. They were the 2nd NH team to France, who spent a decent amount of time at 2nd thanks to their 6N effort. So that is where Balls is probably getting confused.
This pretty much goes with my memory of Ireland from 2007, who were never anywhere near the 2nd best in the world in 2007.
This pretty much goes with my memory of Ireland from 2007, who were never anywhere near the 2nd best in the world in 2007.
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John Hipwell (52)
The reality is that the soft underbelly that the Poms often refer to was exposed again yesterday.
The Samoans were physical and had their tails up after a couple of tries against the run of play.
The Wobs did not respond.
It was very disappointing. There is a lot of food for thought for the Wallabies brains trust this week.
The Samoans were physical and had their tails up after a couple of tries against the run of play.
The Wobs did not respond.
It was very disappointing. There is a lot of food for thought for the Wallabies brains trust this week.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
At first glance it might have looked that way, #1. But how often did Pat get across the gain line? Also on a number of occasions there were huge gaps in the midfield defensive line, something you don't see when Tom is organising the backline defence. Defence in both centre positions requires technical proficiency that only comes from experience.
Athilnaur
Arch Winning (36)
He made 2, possibly three. I'd have to play it again to be sure. Both resulted in him being isolated for far too long due to pisspoor support. Same happened to Elsom.
I have to say, he showed a lot more composure in the face of rampaging Samoans than the other new selections, and thats including Beau Robinson, who was only a pale echo of his normal self IMO.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
The atmosphere at the ground was great, thanks to the raucous and fun Samoans. Despite the loss, it was an enjoyable afternoon out at ANZ. Samoa deserved that win, absolutely no question. They played fantastic, aggressive rugby and showed some serious skills with the ball. Beat the Wallabies in every facet of play.
I'm now even more stoked that I have Wales-Samoa tickets for the Cup! ...and nervous about Australia-Ireland.
I'm now even more stoked that I have Wales-Samoa tickets for the Cup! ...and nervous about Australia-Ireland.
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Balls_SlanderandRuck
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Just researched it myself, it was 3rd actually now - tail end of 2006 after they beat the Boks and us.
Who'd of thought websites would be wrong and misleading on the internet :nta: :
im never copying informationf from other forums again! 3rd isnt too bad considering it was only 10 years ago we'd be hockeying them the majority of the time.
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Tony Shaw (54)
Whatever else can be deduced from this utterly mediocre display by our national team, there surely can be no debate about the following:
- "lack of competency, intensity, commitment, requisite technical skill and raw power at the breakdown" as a chronic syndrome has been generally endemic within the Wallabies team capability for years now. Indeed, I often reference Marseilles 2007 as the most recent, most painful, most costly rendition of that truth;
- decisively and permanently fixing this syndrome would manifestly be an overarching priority for any Wallabies coaching group, especially specialist forwards coaches working under the direction on an experienced national head coach;
- a 3+ year cycle of consistent coaching should represent a more than adequate period of repair for this chronic, potentially game and trophy-losing, deficiency;
- that by end-2010 that the noted deficiency was not in any way reliably fixed was evident in two 2010 Test losses to England, in Sydney and London, respectively;
- the 2011 Wallabies coaches have had many, many months to meticulously research and plan for Samoa's likely capability and obvious physicality at the breakdown and how this Samoan team would likely handle the breakdown;
- the Wallabies coaches have had many undisturbed weeks to work with the non-Reds likely Wallabies to conduct preparatory technical and tactical sessions regarding enhanced breakdown performance (if 'scrum camps' were able to be held, so could 'forwards' breakdown camps'), and then there was over a week of intensive training of all Wallabies squad members to further perfect this work;
- throughout the majority of the S15, all of the Tahs, Reds and Force showed they possessed generally high-quality forwards packs capable of excellence in ruck and counter ruck work vs the best S15 oppositions in this same area of play, there is absolutely no evidence that Aus rugby 2011 lacked competent depth in breakdown capability or tactical skill or physical resources able to deliver the required outcomes.
17 July 2011, Homebush: by any objective criteria, the Aus core skill, capability, attitude, technical preparedness, game plan readiness, commitment, etc at the breakdown was of a very, very poor standard. (And, just as evidentiary support, Samoa's likely talent and application in this crucial area of play was researched and reported upon on a prior basis by no other than GAGR's own amateur game sleuth, Sully, in his pre-game writings).
Inescapable Conclusion: at the very least, the Wallabies' forwards coaching capability is manifestly incompetent, poorly prepared, ill-focussed, and generally far beneath the required Test, 3N and BC standards. Repetitively, and along with 2010's major scrum debacles, it has consistently failed Wallaby fans, players and its boss, the ARU.
Recommended Action: facing a RWC, 3N and BC, Jim Williams should tomorrow be summarily dismissed and Foley and/or one of Links' relevant specialist support coaches be immediately retained to take over all Wallaby squad forwards-related coaching duties and objectives for 2011.
PS: Not addressed here, but beckoning hard: captaincy, game plan, defence, general preparedness
- "lack of competency, intensity, commitment, requisite technical skill and raw power at the breakdown" as a chronic syndrome has been generally endemic within the Wallabies team capability for years now. Indeed, I often reference Marseilles 2007 as the most recent, most painful, most costly rendition of that truth;
- decisively and permanently fixing this syndrome would manifestly be an overarching priority for any Wallabies coaching group, especially specialist forwards coaches working under the direction on an experienced national head coach;
- a 3+ year cycle of consistent coaching should represent a more than adequate period of repair for this chronic, potentially game and trophy-losing, deficiency;
- that by end-2010 that the noted deficiency was not in any way reliably fixed was evident in two 2010 Test losses to England, in Sydney and London, respectively;
- the 2011 Wallabies coaches have had many, many months to meticulously research and plan for Samoa's likely capability and obvious physicality at the breakdown and how this Samoan team would likely handle the breakdown;
- the Wallabies coaches have had many undisturbed weeks to work with the non-Reds likely Wallabies to conduct preparatory technical and tactical sessions regarding enhanced breakdown performance (if 'scrum camps' were able to be held, so could 'forwards' breakdown camps'), and then there was over a week of intensive training of all Wallabies squad members to further perfect this work;
- throughout the majority of the S15, all of the Tahs, Reds and Force showed they possessed generally high-quality forwards packs capable of excellence in ruck and counter ruck work vs the best S15 oppositions in this same area of play, there is absolutely no evidence that Aus rugby 2011 lacked competent depth in breakdown capability or tactical skill or physical resources able to deliver the required outcomes.
17 July 2011, Homebush: by any objective criteria, the Aus core skill, capability, attitude, technical preparedness, game plan readiness, commitment, etc at the breakdown was of a very, very poor standard. (And, just as evidentiary support, Samoa's likely talent and application in this crucial area of play was researched and reported upon on a prior basis by no other than GAGR's own amateur game sleuth, Sully, in his pre-game writings).
Inescapable Conclusion: at the very least, the Wallabies' forwards coaching capability is manifestly incompetent, poorly prepared, ill-focussed, and generally far beneath the required Test, 3N and BC standards. Repetitively, and along with 2010's major scrum debacles, it has consistently failed Wallaby fans, players and its boss, the ARU.
Recommended Action: facing a RWC, 3N and BC, Jim Williams should tomorrow be summarily dismissed and Foley and/or one of Links' relevant specialist support coaches be immediately retained to take over all Wallaby squad forwards-related coaching duties and objectives for 2011.
PS: Not addressed here, but beckoning hard: captaincy, game plan, defence, general preparedness
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Peter Johnson (47)
I havnt yet watched the game, but losing to samoa is not acceptable, especially in a world cup year. Credit to them they must have really dont alot of hard work in camp to get to a level of beating us.
Its not totally unexpected considering the team was full of unproven players - and giteau was at 10 (but ill reserve futher judgement for now). Glad to hear McCabe played well as I think we need a gard running 12 outside cooper like he has at the reds. Shame to hear AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) didnt perform, time is running out for him.
Get link in there asap!
Its not totally unexpected considering the team was full of unproven players - and giteau was at 10 (but ill reserve futher judgement for now). Glad to hear McCabe played well as I think we need a gard running 12 outside cooper like he has at the reds. Shame to hear AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) didnt perform, time is running out for him.
Get link in there asap!
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Maybe you need glasses?
One of his passes included a nice one in the set move early in the first half...
That's right, I changed my mind and decided to watch this match...
I knew as soon as Kafe mentioned that there were a number of Brumbies in the team that there would be others pointing that finger... but what were the other 5 non-Brumby forwards doing?
That was one of the worst displays from an Australian forward pack I've ever seen... utterly disgraceful...
People will exclaim "Oh, we really missed Cooper!" But Cooper won't win breakdown ball...
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
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Billy Sheehan (19)
They were third. For one whole week. Golden Generation indeed.
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Balls_SlanderandRuck
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Golden generation or not, they never got beaten by Samoa when they were at the top of there game. We're at the top of our game now and we got beaten well by Samoa!
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
I think the concept of 'top of your game' necessarily excludes a B team.
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