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Mark Ella (57)
Personally I think that some of Chek's selections have/are not very rational and that just feeds the conspiracy theorists.
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Personally I think that some of Chek's selections have/are not very rational and that just feeds the conspiracy theorists.
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For me, the balance of the forward pack is off again..
Pooper has run its course but the Wallabies persist with it.. Simmons and Mumm are too similar of players, they will help the line-out but leave the Wallabies short of players able to make dominant tackles or get across the advantage line.
Part of the reason MC keeps tinkering with the second row/blindside is because of the weakness that the Pooper combination creates in the line-out, Argentina pressured the All Blacks line-out last week, and this was the same All Blacks outfit who destroyed the Wallaby line-out, so no doubt this played a part in the selection of Simmons and Mumm.
Im a Simmons fan, i place a massive emphasis on the set piece when it comes to selection, but the reality is that Simmons has been out of form in 2016, i think MC should haver persisted with Douglas-Coleman as to actually allow those two develop a partnership.. This musical chairs of the selection table isn't helping.
Pooper has run its course but the Wallabies persist with it.. Simmons and Mumm are too similar of players, they will help the line-out but leave the Wallabies short of players able to make dominant tackles or get across the advantage line.
Part of the reason MC keeps tinkering with the second row/blindside is because of the weakness that the Pooper combination creates in the line-out, Argentina pressured the All Blacks line-out last week, and this was the same All Blacks outfit who destroyed the Wallaby line-out, so no doubt this played a part in the selection of Simmons and Mumm.
Im a Simmons fan, i place a massive emphasis on the set piece when it comes to selection, but the reality is that Simmons has been out of form in 2016, i think MC should haver persisted with Douglas-Coleman as to actually allow those two develop a partnership.. This musical chairs of the selection table isn't helping.
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John Eales (66)
The consensus is that the Pooper has run its course but the reason it keeps getting selected is because of the lack of a viable alternative at no. 8. McCalman gets chastigated on here every time he gets selected and is injured anyway. Timani has clearly been getting developed for the role in the background and gets a shot tonight to be Pocock's successor, let's see if he takes it. And there's Holloway who we will possibly get to see on the EOYT.
Sure, the selection of Mumm is to help with the lineout, but it was also convenient that he's actually been playing relatively well and that Fardy is below his best.
There's obviously a reason for the change at lock tonight and quite feasibly it's for the reasons Cheika has stated. Personally I don't care what the reason is provided that at the end of the year we can say that they have come ahead leaps and bounds compared to the rabble that ran out in Bledisloe 1.
That goes for the whole team incidentally. I don't care who is picked in what position, even if it just ends up ruling them out in the future. I don't care what reasons are or aren't given, I just want to seem the team improve and stabilise over time to the point that we can beat the All Blacks more than once in every 4 four games. Go and read the threads from 2 years ago and the comments that followed when someone suggested that Kurtley Beale should be given a run at 12. It's possible for a player to improve and evolve into a position and that goes for partnerships and combinations as well.
Finally, I don't care that Graham Henry is in the SMH this morning saying that this is the worst Wallabies team he has seen, just like he doesn't care anymore about all those times that the whole world was laughing at the All Blacks when they choked in World Cups.
Rant over.
Sure, the selection of Mumm is to help with the lineout, but it was also convenient that he's actually been playing relatively well and that Fardy is below his best.
There's obviously a reason for the change at lock tonight and quite feasibly it's for the reasons Cheika has stated. Personally I don't care what the reason is provided that at the end of the year we can say that they have come ahead leaps and bounds compared to the rabble that ran out in Bledisloe 1.
That goes for the whole team incidentally. I don't care who is picked in what position, even if it just ends up ruling them out in the future. I don't care what reasons are or aren't given, I just want to seem the team improve and stabilise over time to the point that we can beat the All Blacks more than once in every 4 four games. Go and read the threads from 2 years ago and the comments that followed when someone suggested that Kurtley Beale should be given a run at 12. It's possible for a player to improve and evolve into a position and that goes for partnerships and combinations as well.
Finally, I don't care that Graham Henry is in the SMH this morning saying that this is the worst Wallabies team he has seen, just like he doesn't care anymore about all those times that the whole world was laughing at the All Blacks when they choked in World Cups.
Rant over.
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Mark Ella (57)
Kob
Good post.
We all want the team to be the best it can be.
Reason for all the conjecture is simply that most posters have differing views on certain players and positions and those combinations.
Chek is the coach and has his own view. He selects accordingly. A lot pf people are simply questioning some of his favourites ATM. He is sticking with them.
Time will tell if he is correct.
But all coaches are evaluated on the team's performances. ATM, the Report Card on Chek is only fair to average, and fair to average is not a place in which Australian rugby supporters want to occupy
Good post.
We all want the team to be the best it can be.
Reason for all the conjecture is simply that most posters have differing views on certain players and positions and those combinations.
Chek is the coach and has his own view. He selects accordingly. A lot pf people are simply questioning some of his favourites ATM. He is sticking with them.
Time will tell if he is correct.
But all coaches are evaluated on the team's performances. ATM, the Report Card on Chek is only fair to average, and fair to average is not a place in which Australian rugby supporters want to occupy
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Yeah I know Scrubber, I crave for that improvement as well.
Knowing Cheika's style from the Waratahs, he's a 'horses for courses' type of coach. He hypothetically would select a different team to run out against different opposition on the same day. Not a completely different outfit, just a couple of different players. And that goes some way to explaining what he is getting at when he says he is developing depth, he wants the team to perform at the same high standard regardless of which player he chooses.
We aren't used to that in the Wallabies, we like the good old days when the same 15 players would be turned out each week, barring injuries, and would win more often than not. I think we are still scared of the Robbie Deans days too when he would seem to make random unexplained selections.
Knowing Cheika's style from the Waratahs, he's a 'horses for courses' type of coach. He hypothetically would select a different team to run out against different opposition on the same day. Not a completely different outfit, just a couple of different players. And that goes some way to explaining what he is getting at when he says he is developing depth, he wants the team to perform at the same high standard regardless of which player he chooses.
We aren't used to that in the Wallabies, we like the good old days when the same 15 players would be turned out each week, barring injuries, and would win more often than not. I think we are still scared of the Robbie Deans days too when he would seem to make random unexplained selections.
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Dave Cowper (27)
I dont see Latu jumping the queue in front of Ready or Ala'alatoa jumping ahead of Sio, Slipper or Smith since both are still young.
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Steve Williams (59)
Slipper will be 31 and Sio 28 at the next world cup.
Not sure they'll be shifted. Amd Ready will find himself well ahead of Latu IMO.
Not sure they'll be shifted. Amd Ready will find himself well ahead of Latu IMO.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Not sure I'd rate Latu to get in there. The young ranga at the Force looks like a bloody hard worker and there are also some guys like Siliva and Ready as well.
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Mark Ella (57)
Scott DOB 16/10/91, so just turned 28 next RWC
Slips DOB 6/6/89, so just 30 next RWC
Both young enough certainly for 2019 - should be coming into their prime.
Scott, all things being equal, form and injury should certainly be at the following one.
Not to mention his tendency to some play that is liable to see him in the bin. Needs to reign in the senseless aggression.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
you're a fortune teller, he was binned in the Country/Rays game about 20 minutes after you posted this
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I think it was more cyclopath just giving an accurate description of Latu's style of play..
I like Latu's physical attributes and the physicality he plays with, but he needs to play smarter.
I like Latu's physical attributes and the physicality he plays with, but he needs to play smarter.
The word is savant. At times idiot, at times prescient.
Groucho
Greg Davis (50)
Well, that's what the Internet says. But the Internet has so many complex agendas surrounding those two players and positions that I doubt that even it can agree with itself. I doubt the Wobs management think so. I don't: I think it works just fine.
But KOB is right. A high-quality 8 could cause a re-think. Of course, that'll just trigger the same complex agendas from a different angle, and the Internet will be incensed once again.
Poor Internet. Fortunately it quite likes being incensed.
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There's nothing murky about my opinion on it, maybe there is some parochial persuasion in who they prefer.. I personally prefer Pocock because I think he is better over the ball, but ultimately I just don't want both starting.
But to put it simply, having only 3 genuine lineout jumpers destablises the Wallaby lineout and provides the opposition with easy lineout ball, to put into perspective the lineout set the platform for 50% of all tries at the past 2 RWC's.
The impact of a poor lineout is 2 fold, not only does it remove the single largest source of tries scored, but it provides a fantastic platform for the opposition to score tries off.
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Charlie Fox (21)
There are a few on the Rebels thread over the years that don't see Timani at 8. Personally I think he has the perfect build for it but after a great season there in the first NRC he was moved to lock at the Rebs by TT. Only had one game at 8 that I recall and was awful. Mind you he was awful at lock in the games around it too so probably more of a form slump than not good in the position.
The point is that I think he needs a lot of coaching and development to fill that role and I hope he gets there. We could really use a proper 8 at the Wobs and rebels.
I like Coleman and Arnold too but we will need that depth too. I just don't rate any others we can turn out.
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Greg Davis (50)
It's true that the lineout set the platform for 50% of all tries at the past 2 RWC's (more, in fact). However, it's also true that Australia scored the most tries of any team from the lineout, and also the highest proportion of their tries from the lineout of any team, at the last RWC, with the Pooper.
Have you considered the possibility that any reduction in lineout performance since then might be due to other factors, such as throwing or calling?
If we look at what has changed, the most obvious culprit is a continuous change of caller, due to injury, including in-game injury, which in turn has disrupted our throwing and tactics. There's no point in having 99 jumpers if we can't consistently throw to the third man without it being pinched.
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Alfred Walker (16)
Add Holloway to that mix
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