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Wallabies v Poms, EOYT 2010, Twickenham

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qwerty51

qwerty51

Stirling Mortlock (74)
The England side has only made one change from the team that beat us in Sydney by 1 point. We've made about 8, mostly positive changes. I'm confident we can do the job
 
dobduff11

dobduff11

Trevor Allan (34)
It is usually the 9's job to watch the blind but they often put pressure on the ten off of the scrum or pressure the other 9.

It's the flankers job to watch out for an 8 off the back of the scrum or a sniping 9.
 
Lee Grant

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Plus the Poms will be putting on half wheels so that the ball emerges at a point where they want the back off their scrum to be, and where they want the Oz flankers to be.

This will make the meerkats more paranoid and less likely to bind fully - and around and around it goes. It's a reward for good scrummaging - as we enjoyed in a few games of the 2009 EOYT.
 
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tranquility

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Bruce Ross said:
Peter Harding has responsibility for that. The Wallabies would have had a very different S & C regime if Deans had brought Ashley Jones back with him.
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Bruce, you probably have a better understanding of individual strength and conditioning coaches than anyone I know / can imagine. How do you rate Jason Weber as a trainer / rugby specific trainer? He was with the Wallabies for a while, and I have read alot of his theory and he seems like a mean bastard.
 
barbarian

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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The more I think about it the more I think that this game is really crucial, by far the most important of the tour. Obviously the traditional rivalry with England is huge and always makes for a big game (far more so than the Frogs or Welsh). But considering that there is a good chance we will be facing England in a World Cup Semi next year this game has far-reaching consequences.

If England win it takes the wind right out of our sails, and if this win is forward-driven (which you would assume it would be) it raises a whole host of doubts and questions that we thought we had put to bed this time last year. Furthermore, England win their second game in a row against us and will be on a streak come RWC time. This is a pretty big mental boost, especially considering they are already 3-1 up on us in RWCs. Most of all it would show England and the NH that our 'revival' is all talk and we still have the same old fundamental weaknesses.

If we win it will be a real weight off the shoulders considering the buildup to this week. It would show all the speculation about the forwards is premature and that we deserve the respect that beating the ABs entitles us to. The Poms see our backline is not just a flash in the pan, and when the pressure is on we can stand up. We come to the RWC with the Cook Cup in the trophy cabinet and the mental boost that comes from knocking them off on home soil. Plus we beat the Poms, which is always nice. If we win by a big margin then that would be seismic, but its certainly a longshot.

I think a lot of questions will be answered this weekend. I will take a win regardless of the circumstances, because I think this is a real danger game with huge ramifications for next year.
 
The_Brown_Hornet

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Barbarian, that is the best summation I've seen so far. This is our most important game on tour, even more so than beating the AB's, mainly due to it being the last opportunity to play England before the WC and also as an opportunity to shut the knockers at HQ up. They love nothing more than beating us and vice versa. Victory would be sooooooooo sweet if we repel their best forward based challenge and show them that we can mix it in the tough stuff, like we did in 2008.

They think we're weak and we think they're boring. BRING IT ON!!
 
cyclopath

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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Gnostic said:
I think you are correct here Bruce and again I think it comes back to the tactics and game plan being provided by Deans. The dynamic fast ball movement game that he has been pushing requires the conditioning and strength training he is coaching.

One thing I notice i the last two tests is that Robinson seems to be carrying a lot of weight. Anybody else notice this.
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I blame Robbie for sneaking him pies.
 
Scotty

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Bruce Ross said:
Unfortunately, Scotty, if you are getting "smashed in the scrum" you are unikely to achieve "dominance at the breakdown". Getting there fast is important but you have to win the contest. These are the two areas where power, physicality and technique are paramount. As I saw it we were outplayed both in the scrum and at the breakdown against the Welsh.

One of the things I particularly noted was the way the ball was carried into the defensive line in that game. The Australians, as is their usual style, tended to be upright when meeting the tackler. By contrast the Welsh, both forwards and backs, generally were noticeably bent forward as they encountered the defenders. If they couldn't break through the line they would very quickly go to ground with a couple of support players immediately driving over them.

They made few breaks but were able to pierce our line and gain a couple of metres consistently.

I don't think it will surprise many people that I believe that we haven't been properly conditioned to really contest at scrum and breakdown, and that is what worries me about this weekend's game.
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To an extent I agree, however there have been several instances where we have been beaten in the scrum but won the breakdown. Much of this has been to do with our great opensides, but it is obviously a team commitment.

I'll revise and say that we need to improve in the scrum (and be strong on our own ball), but that we really need to commit to the breakdown in order to win it.
 
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TheTruth

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Gnostic said:
I love a good pie myself but damn there a lot of them hanging below his moobs these days.
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he makes Maafu look like Arnold the "Austrian Oak" Scharzenager- needs to do some running during the game
 
Nusadan

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
Re: Benn Robinson's gut...anyone notice that Higgers seems to carry a bit extra around his waistline in the game last night? I thought he was a lot thinner, and had to look at him twice to make sure it was him not someone else...
 
Blue

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Injured. Park in front of TV. Eat. Watch TV. Eat some more. Watch more TV. Eat lots more. Go out. Eat again. Watch TV........Get fat.
 
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barbarian said:
The more I think about it the more I think that this game is really crucial, by far the most important of the tour. Obviously the traditional rivalry with England is huge and always makes for a big game (far more so than the Frogs or Welsh). But considering that there is a good chance we will be facing England in a World Cup Semi next year this game has far-reaching consequences.

If England win it takes the wind right out of our sails, and if this win is forward-driven (which you would assume it would be) it raises a whole host of doubts and questions that we thought we had put to bed this time last year. Furthermore, England win their second game in a row against us and will be on a streak come RWC time. This is a pretty big mental boost, especially considering they are already 3-1 up on us in RWCs. Most of all it would show England and the NH that our 'revival' is all talk and we still have the same old fundamental weaknesses.

If we win it will be a real weight off the shoulders considering the buildup to this week. It would show all the speculation about the forwards is premature and that we deserve the respect that beating the ABs entitles us to. The Poms see our backline is not just a flash in the pan, and when the pressure is on we can stand up. We come to the RWC with the Cook Cup in the trophy cabinet and the mental boost that comes from knocking them off on home soil. Plus we beat the Poms, which is always nice. If we win by a big margin then that would be seismic, but its certainly a longshot.

I think a lot of questions will be answered this weekend. I will take a win regardless of the circumstances, because I think this is a real danger game with huge ramifications for next year.
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Christ, it's England ffs. They've lost about 60% of their Tests of late, haven't they? No ability in the outside backs, a solid but unremarkable flyhalf, and a forward pack that is great at tackling and scrums and little else. They can only win this weekend if the Wallabies don't take the occasion seriously, and from what I can tell that seems pretty unlikely.

Wallabies by 15+
 
Bruce Ross

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
tranquility said:
Bruce, you probably have a better understanding of individual strength and conditioning coaches than anyone I know / can imagine. How do you rate Jason Weber as a trainer / rugby specific trainer? He was with the Wallabies for a while, and I have read alot of his theory and he seems like a mean bastard.
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You flatter me, tranq, but I have the view that strength and conditioning is one of the most important and least respected aspects of rugby. I also have a commercial incentive to be closely focussed on this profession.

I have always had a very favorable opinion of Jason and the work he did with the Wallabies. Although I have never actiually met him I have spoken on the phone with him. (I probably should acknowledge that he bought a machine from my company when he was the Wallabies' S & C.) Do you happen to know what he is doing now?

You mention that you "have read lot of his theory". I haven't read anything of his. Can you direct me to any of it?

With regard to him seeming to be a "mean bastard", that is something that Australian rugby has always had a deficiency of, so I'd count that as a positive.
 
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Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
I actually don't think this weekend is going to be much of a contest. England is shite at sport, and Wallabies are coming off promising victories. England is so bad that the Wallabies will probably win the game in the opening 20mins. Scrums? Who cares about them, they are boring and are for dull people. The Wallabies will hopefully be smart enough not get into scrum situations by holding onto the ball and kicking for touch. Put simply, I just don't care about scrums and neither does Robbie Deans.

Do you really think England can contain Genia, Cooper, Giteau, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Mitchell, JO'C, Beale - Christ that is a potent backline and those names are world famous, and contains 4 QLDers no less. I don't think I can name one player in this England team, and that's because they are shite and have no good players, obviously. I don't know about you guys, but it is hell of a lot more fun to ramp up the spite against England then it is to sit around and moan about how good they will be upfront or IF they might beat us. Geez, lighten up guys! :)

Wallabies by 27 - that's the Reddy guarantee :)
 
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