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Wallabies v Lions Game 2 MCG 26 July

Sword of Justice

Dick Tooth (41)
EJ (Eddie Jones) (Eddie Jones) tried this and it was a dud. You need a mobile lose forward out there.
Yeah look I’ve calmed down a bit now so I’d back McReight in but both of those guys have played 7 before. At the end of the day though, teams like the Lions and Boks have huge dudes with six packs who can run all day and that might have something to do with their success.
 

The Red Baron

Chilla Wilson (44)
I think Pollard should start, but can understand if Joe wants to use him as part of his 'bomb squad'. Fez was a bit underdone and Slipper looked cooked in some passages, but the scrum held up well, so he may start again. If Slipper does start again this week, I'd be tempted to rotate him with Bell at halftime.

All of the replacements did an excellent job of getting the Wallabies back into the game on Saturday, which might weirdly work against them when it comes to starting this week, so who knows what we'll see.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Exactly…
Injuries aside, wholesale changes for a 3 test series is just a reactive knee-jerk reaction that’s not going to improve cohesion.
Not necessarily true Adam. Other than bringing in Valetini, Gleeson and Skelton who would have been in the first test XXIII anyway most if not all of the changes proposed by posters here are simply rearranging bench and starting players. The evidence of the first test suggests cohesion was better late in the game when the bench players took to the field.
 

PhilClinton

Mark Ella (57)
I think Pollard should start, but can understand if Joe wants to use him as part of his 'bomb squad'.

South Africa was able to coin the term and use the bench with so much impact because they genuinely had a bunch of guys at that time who would be walk on starting selections for nearly every other team in the world.

We aren't nearly so lucky. Our best players need to start and give us some scoreboard relief to mount pressure on these Lions. I actually wouldn't mind seeing Pollard start because I did think he had a good game and maybe keeping Fez fresh the final 20mins if he's still not 100% is a good plan.
 

Adam84

John Eales (66)
Not necessarily true Adam. Other than bringing in Valetini, Gleeson and Skelton who would have been in the first test XXIII anyway most if not all of the changes proposed by posters here are simply rearranging bench and starting players. The evidence of the first test suggests cohesion was better late in the game when the bench players took to the field.
Which part dont you think is true? I said wholesale changes, barring those related to injurie's is a knee-jerk reaction that wont improve cohesion. Bringing Valetini and Skelton back into the starting XV is not the wholesale change i'm referring, that's under those injury related substitutions which i thought would be obvious, especially given it's a role they've both played reguarly in the past with this squad.

People here are talking about shuffling the centres and outside back, swapping the back-row, changing the front row, locks and starting halves... For a 3 test series against the Lions, that's not going to get you wins. Claiming that cohesion is better with bench players based on that match ignores so many variables, it's not funny.
 

Wilson

Tim Horan (67)
Question to the Forum: if you were in the shoes of Andy Farrell, would you make any changes to the Lions team?

Or "don't fix what's not broken"?

Regards
He has a forced change to make at lock with McCarthy injured, Chessum likely comes into start there. Beyond that I'd only be looking at the back 3 who weren't great for them. The simplest would be Kinghorn in for Keenan if fit, but he must be tempted to swap out Lowe after he has been pretty inaccurate for his last two games. That likely comes down to Hansen vs Lowe, again depending on Hansen's fitness. I wouldn't be going near Duhan on his form in the lead up games, even with a hattrick against AU/NZ, he has just been too vulnerable to kicks in behind.
 

Uh huh

Billy Sheehan (19)
I'm picking:

1. Slipper
2. Faessler
3. Ala'alatoa
4. Skelton
5. Frost
6. Valetini
7. McReight
8. Wilson
9. Lonergan
10. Lynagh
11. Pietsch
12. Ikitau
13. Sua'ali'i
14. Jorgensen
15. Wright

16. Pollard
17. Bell
18. Robertson
19. Salakaia-Loto
20. Hooper
21. Gleeson
22. McDermott
23. Donaldson

I've come around to Frost after rewatching the match. Yes, he got outmuscled in the tight, but I think that was exaggerated by the absence of big forwards moving bodies. His work rate was actually pretty phenomenal. Valetini and Skelton back in fixes that problem.

I've left Pollard and Bell on the bench, not because they're not the best players in their positions, but because I don't want the intensity to go down the way I expect it would if Slipper and Faessler were the subs. I do want both substitutions made in the first five minutes of the second half though.
 

Uh huh

Billy Sheehan (19)
Question to the Forum: if you were in the shoes of Andy Farrell, would you make any changes to the Lions team?

Or "don't fix what's not broken"?

Regards
Definitely drop Curry. We know how highly the English value the spirit of the game. I'm sure they're not happy winning a game in that fashion.
 

Purce

Dave Cowper (27)
Ikitau is wasted at 12 the way they're currently playing the attack. He is just trucking it up. Doing it well though. Paisami can fill that role with Ikitau at 13 where he is best. JAS to the wing where he can have a bit if time and space as well as be an aerial threat. Roam and pop up on the shoulder of playmakers.

Piggies lacked punch in attack. Skelton, valetini and Gleeson into the 23. I'd bring LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) as well however he is outside the group. I'd also bring Longeran in as 21.

1. Bell
2. Fas
3. AAA
4. Williams
5. Skelton
6. Valetini
7. McReight
8. Wilson

9. Tate
10. Lynagh
11. JAS
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Jorg
15. Wright

16. Pollard
17. Slips
18. Robbo / TT
19. Frost (LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto))
20. Gleeson
21. White (Longeran) / Hooper for 6/2 bench
22. Donaldson / White (Longeran) for 6/2 bench
23. Daugunu / Donaldson for 6/2 bench

Wallabies need to go full noise this weekend and I'm sure they will. No matter what the make up of the team is.

Paisami to just thrown himself into contact at 12. He can do the hard yards to free up ikitau and the back 3.

Piggies need more power from the start. I think a 6/2 bench could work this game if Paisami starts. They have proper coverage everywhere then.

Either Tate & Lynagh or White & Dono could start. Combos are important. If Paisami starts I'd start with the Reds combo.

Pumped for this game, I reckon it'll be the best of the series. Niggle, physical, skillful. Get it boys.
 
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PhilClinton

Mark Ella (57)
If we are going to move away from the constant up and under kicking tactics, I wouldn't mind seeing Daugunu brought into a wing spot or on the bench. The bloke will at least come in off the wing and have a crack and we know he can tackle.
 

Uh huh

Billy Sheehan (19)
Ikitau is wasted at 12 the way they're currently playing the attack. He is just trucking it up. Doing it well though. Paisami can fill that role with Ikitau at 13 where he is best. JAS to the wing where he can have a bit if time and space as well as be an aerial threat. Roam and pop up on the shoulder of playmakers.

Piggies lacked punch in attack. Skelton, valetini and Gleeson into the 23. I'd bring LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) as well however he is outside the group. I'd also bring Longeran in as 21.

1. Bell
2. Fas
3. AAA
4. Williams
5. Skelton
6. Valetini
7. McReight
8. Wilson

9. Tate
10. Lynagh
11. JAS
12. Paisami
13. Ikitau
14. Jorg
15. Wright

16. Pollard
17. Slips
18. Robbo / TT
19. Frost (LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto))
20. Gleeson
21. White (Longeran) / Hooper for 6/2 bench
22. Donaldson / White (Longeran) for 6/2 bench
23. Daugunu / Donaldson for 6/2 bench

Wallabies need to go full noise this weekend and I'm sure they will. No matter what the make up of the team is.

Paisami to just thrown himself into contact at 12. He can do the hard yards to free up ikitau and the back 3.

Piggies need more power from the start. I think a 6/2 bench could work this game if Paisami starts. They have proper coverage everywhere then.

Either Tate & Lynagh or White & Dono could start. Combos are important. If Paisami starts I'd start with the Reds combo.

Pumped for this game, I reckon it'll be the best of the series. Niggle, physical, skillful. Get it boys.
Ikitau at 13 is eerily reminiscent of Smith at blindside. He's indisputably the better 13 of the two, but is playing out of position because he's more versatile than Sua'ali'i, and because there just aren't any real contenders at 12. I'd love to see him moved back, but I just think Paisami will be too much of a liability and won't redress the issue of the choking of the backline. Ikitau/Sua'ali'i seems to me to be the least worst option, but I really don't like it.
 

Strewthcobber

Michael Lynagh (62)
If we are going to move away from the constant up and under kicking tactics, I wouldn't mind seeing Daugunu brought into a wing spot or on the bench. The bloke will at least come in off the wing and have a crack and we know he can tackle.
We got pretty good play out of the kicking game when it was done well, and that was without using JAS's ability much other than at kickoffs. If anything I'd say we will see more of it in the second test.

Farrell's tactic of dropping bombs on our 5/8 hiding out of the defensive line was really good - I'm amazed more teams don't do this. Seems like such an obvious basic plan that should almost be universal.

The other thing that I'm always suprised by - Lynagh got bumped off, and to his credit rejoined the line - but the Lions then continually went the other way. You'd think Plan A after seeing something like that would be to run the attack straight up the wobbly 10s channel for the next 5 mins
 
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Tomthumb

Ken Catchpole (46)
With how bad the lineout was at crucial points in the first test, I don't think it's feasible to weaken it even further with Skelton & Valetini and not offset that. I'd have Hooper in at 6 at a true lineout option, physical presence and the ability to create more ruck pressure. I thought Wilson had a good game but Schmidt' reluctance to actually name him captain makes me think dropping him is an option

I'd also start McDermott as I think we need to start with more energy and he will help Lynagh early on with some continuity

We aren't good enough to have a bomb squad so that idea needs to be binned immediately. Leaving Bell on the bench for over 50 minutes was nothing but a waste. If you want impact off the bench pick Tupou over Robertson

1. Bell
2. Pollard
3. Allaalatoa (c)
4. Frost
5. Skelton
6. Hooper
7. McReight
8. Valetini
9. McDermott
10. Lynagh
11. Pietch
12. Ikitau
13. JAS
14. Jorgenson
15. Wright

16. Faessler
17. Slipper
18. Tupou
19. Williams
20. Wilson
21. White
22. Donaldson
23. Paisami
 

Yoda

Arch Winning (36)
We got pretty goo play out of the kicking game when it was done well, and that was without using JAS's ability much other than at kickoffs. If anything I'd say we will see more of it in the second test.

Farrell's tactic of dropping bombs on our 5/8 hiding out of the defensive line was really good - I'm amazed more teams don't do this. Seems like such an obvious basic plan that should almost be universal.

The other thing that I'm always suprised by - Lynagh got bumped off, and to his credit rejoined the line - but the Lions then continually went the other way. You'd think Plan A after seeing something like that would be to run the attack straight up the wobbly 10s channel for the next 5 mins
Planet rugby player rating:

10 Tom Lynagh: He looked exciting in the opening stages, playing quick and effective rugby alongside his scrum-half partner. However, his day started to deteriorate shortly after. Despite being brought in for his kicking game, it was this that suffered the most. Cross kicks weren’t hitting their desired destination and kicks to touch simply weren’t making enough yards. He was targeted by the Lions’ kickers under the high ball and struggled to gain control behind a beaten-up pack. A bit of a mare. 4

More realistic summation than some Aussie pundits.
 

Backintheolddays

Johnnie Wallace (23)
Yoda you’re generally on the ball and we’re aligned in thinking. However the trash that comes out of the pom/saffa crew at planet rugby isn’t worth repeating here. All the northern hemisphere reporting on the game reverted to type. They did dominate first half but apart from the Jones disallowed try got the rub of the green and on another day they’d have been pilloried for dropping a game they should have won.
 

Uh huh

Billy Sheehan (19)
Planet rugby player rating:

10 Tom Lynagh: He looked exciting in the opening stages, playing quick and effective rugby alongside his scrum-half partner. However, his day started to deteriorate shortly after. Despite being brought in for his kicking game, it was this that suffered the most. Cross kicks weren’t hitting their desired destination and kicks to touch simply weren’t making enough yards. He was targeted by the Lions’ kickers under the high ball and struggled to gain control behind a beaten-up pack. A bit of a mare. 4

More realistic summation than some Aussie pundits.
It's harsh, but I wouldn't say it's especially unfair. I just think it would be unreasonable to expect too much more of him at this stage. It would be great to be in the Lions' position of having three international standard flyhalves to choose from, but we've got what we've got and I don't think there's a strong argument that we've a better option that Lynagh.

Hopefully Wright sees his attacking role in the second test the way he does when Meredith is starting for the Brumbies. That'll help a lot.
 

Yoda

Arch Winning (36)
Yoda you’re generally on the ball and we’re aligned in thinking. However the trash that comes out of the pom/saffa crew at planet rugby isn’t worth repeating here. All the northern hemisphere reporting on the game reverted to type. They did dominate first half but apart from the Jones disallowed try got the rub of the green and on another day they’d have been pilloried for dropping a game they should have won.
Yes. I understand what you are saying. They also gave Tom Wright a 7! Hardly touched the ball till the final quarter when Tate and Donno came on! It was more that most Aussies are talking up Lynagh and I feel it is way over the top. They started badly. I question Schmidt starting a guy in such a big game with a 9 he had never played with. Donaldson deserves a chance to cement a starting position not Lynagh. He has a bigger boot and likes to run the ball which we saw in the final quarter. The backs actually got some ball. Noticed from broken play he passed a cut out to get the ball to space. Lynagh just shuffled it along like Lolesio was a special at. From what I saw, Lynagh will only be under more pressure if they select him to start again. The Lions will smell blood. Not fair on him as he is just not ready imo. Helps I suppose to have a Test legend Dad?
 
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Sword of Justice

Dick Tooth (41)
The Wright thing was strange. He looked so good in that final 20 minutes distributing. The Lions defence dealt with his run threat easily prior to that, as they did every player barring Bell I felt.
 

Derpus

Stirling Mortlock (74)
I don't expect many changes. Bringing in Skelton and Valetini will already make a huge difference (or starting Bell, or picking LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) or anyone with a bit of physical power).

We looked completely shell-shocked by the level of physicality the Lions brought in that first half. The Lions won't be as pumped for this one and we hopefully won't be caught out again, either. I think the only forward to muscle up was 7As (Allan Ala'alatoa).

Finally - we lacked accuracy in execution which (in theory) should improve over the year. That failed lineout on 45 minutes was ridiculous. If we can cut those kinds of mistakes out it will make a big difference.
 
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