Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
Agreed. I also think that Fainga'a has been more effective around the paddock and adds weight at scrum time.
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Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
i dont think Fainga'a is perfect. i just think hes unfairly marked when porecki is lauded pretty wildly
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
It's a great analysis. But why are they doing it? Surely it's not just a lack of trust in the 10? Foley, Lolesio, and JOC (James O'Connor) have all shown themselves to at least be capable of running set plays, and plenty more when the opportunity arises. Why sideline them completely? I thought Weismantel was supposed to be a guru on attack? Holding it all off until 2023? jokes
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Well it's not always the last 5minutes that was just one example of the added pressure.
None of those stats show the the reason for the line-out losses. It's not always the Hookers fault. I think it is very clear that Fainga struggles with his line-out throwing, Porecki is much better in this department.
Although I do agree with some of your arguments. The perception Porecki is well disciplined looks incorrect, and Fainga's ill discipline over-blown.
I like Fainga much better around the park too. He probably has the best body height into contact in the team, it's no wonder he finds his way to the try line often.
One thing your stats won't change my mind on, is that Fainga has issues with this line-out throwing.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
A loose forward with no ability to pilfer or win turnover ball.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
2 of his 3 missed lineouts were timing. not bad throws
1 against france was rather dubious at best also.
i dont know which i prefer. im just pointing out that FF (Folau Fainga'a) is marked very harshly in this place for things he does less of tha DP who is lauded in most chats
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Maybe they are giving Noah/JOC (James O'Connor)/Foley complete control to call the play, and they are just less likely to call the play to themselves.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Perception is key. Plus Fainga's personality doesn't help, always in the middle of niggle, backchat, and ref's giving him warnings.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
certainly doesn't result in PK's or YC's though. things that have impact.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
for what its worth my team is as follows. wont look like this im sure
Slipper
Fainga'a
AA
Frost
Skelton
Holloway
Hooper
Bobby V
White
Lolesio
Kellaway
Paisami
Ikitau
Petaia
Banks
Porecki
Gibbon
Thor
Neville
Samu
McDermott
Donaldson
Campbell
Time to get some of the kids in
Slipper
Fainga'a
AA
Frost
Skelton
Holloway
Hooper
Bobby V
White
Lolesio
Kellaway
Paisami
Ikitau
Petaia
Banks
Porecki
Gibbon
Thor
Neville
Samu
McDermott
Donaldson
Campbell
Time to get some of the kids in
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Nah just chatroom and forums talking Porecki up and talking down on Fainga.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
this is true.
I suppose stats and facts don't care about feelings hey
and the alternate too
Where are these stats from out of interest?
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
An entirely uncoached team just playing to the basics of their role would probably net better outcomes than the current coaching setup.
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
There is a great opportunity for Latu next year. He needs to keep his nose clean and play well consistently. He is excellent over the ball and his set piece is solid.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
i stated the games down for lineout accuracy. the rest from ESPN
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
tt does in my world.
Maulalltheway
Tom Lawton (22)
Tazzmania
Bob Loudon (25)
Is that based on carries per game or carries per (players) playing minutes?
Porecki gets a lot more game time
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