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Geoff Shaw (53)
For Horne to flourish we need a Nonu I think, because two players of those respective styles fit together.
Yes, I am saying Horne is a younger Conrad Smith.
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For Horne to flourish we need a Nonu I think, because two players of those respective styles fit together.
Yes, I am saying Horne is a younger Conrad Smith.
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Alan Cameron (40)
Absolutely. For mine, the main difference is Giteau hangs onto the ball for eternity. People are bagging Burgess for allegedly taking too long to get the ball out ? Have a look at what Giteau does once he gets the ball. He crabs across field slowly, and often behind the advantage line, and once he's exhausted all his potential running lines, he dumps it off to some poor outside back who has the thankless task of carting it up with 3 defenders on 'em.
Take a leaf out of the Reds' handbook. Their attack was effective due to the speed of ball movement. I want to see guys passing the footy like its a hot potato. Soft hands, quick release, numbers in support, support hitting the line straight and at pace.
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i see no problem with Horne either, i really rate the guy, as for not been heavy enough to play at this level, well i dont agree. He showed up Nonu when NSW played the Hurricanes earlier this year, and whilst he may not pack the punch of someone like Mortlock, as long as you have guys like Ioane and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) to get you across the advantage line then theres nothing wrong with someone like Horne been in the backline
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David Codey (61)
The question then is whether he is best paired with another lighter centre like Giteau, or a bigger guy like Chambers or Ioane? I still think his best position may end up at 12, particularly if he has a very creative player like Cooper inside of him.
Can't be bother looking back, but I think cyclo has compared him to Tim Horan (Tim Horan lite anwyway). He was a 12 who was often paired with a big outside centre (eg Herbert). Yes, and I know Jason Little wasn't that big, but he wasn't small either.
It was me. I think they share some real positives - mental attitude, direct strong running, enough speed to make and capitalise on a break, ability to offload, great defenders. On Little; he was actually big when he first hit the scene - there were not many centres much bigger back then. These days 100kg seems to be the minimum, but I don't think it has to be so.
If Horne played 12, I would rather Chambers at 13 and Digby on the wing - he really is best there (and I know he played 13 OK too before someone reminds me). Put the Crab back in the bucket, sorry bench.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Can't recall it. And on that point I really have liked seeing Drew Mitchell getting the ball at first reciever, first for the Waratahs and now for the Wallabies, setting up his own try. He has a decent pass on him, and backing up for his own try showed good work ethic.
EDIT: AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) lack of passing could be a reason why he has ended up back on the wing?
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John Eales (66)
Rob Horne is 88kgs but plays a lot heavier as he has since I first saw him as a skinny 15 year old. I doubt with his frame if he will put on a lot more weight.
Despite that I think he will be a long term Wallaby if he stays healthy, but that is a big if.
Some mentioned Rob as a 12. He hasn't played there since he did it for NSW Schools but he was bloody good and used his passing and ball playing skills which a 12 does more than a 13. Did a few nice tactical kicks too.
Despite that I think he will be a long term Wallaby if he stays healthy, but that is a big if.
Some mentioned Rob as a 12. He hasn't played there since he did it for NSW Schools but he was bloody good and used his passing and ball playing skills which a 12 does more than a 13. Did a few nice tactical kicks too.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
Certainly but if Robbie makes the call to move him to 12 this international season there is more than enough time for him to learn the position fully before the WC.
If he doesn't make it soon the option is gone.
I have stewed for a day or so over the direness of Aus's forward play against Fiji, but enough is enough.
We were rubbish, if it wasn't for shit throwing by the Fijian hooker we would have had no ball for the first half.
We failed to attack their scrum, we failed to protect the ball, we failed to clean out. We seemed afraid of the contact area. They were setting up better rolling mauls that we were FFS.
We had Sharpe playing 10 on the blindside for most of the game and we continue to not commit forwards to the breakdown. We had Fijians coming through the middle of the ruck and disrupting the ball.
We know that for the next few weeks we are playing an English side that will attack the breakdown. Do we plan to just go lateral against them? Who is going to protect the ball?
As for the backs, we lived off inside passes against lazy defenders not working across, that space won't be there in future games against fully professional teams.
We were rubbish, if it wasn't for shit throwing by the Fijian hooker we would have had no ball for the first half.
We failed to attack their scrum, we failed to protect the ball, we failed to clean out. We seemed afraid of the contact area. They were setting up better rolling mauls that we were FFS.
We had Sharpe playing 10 on the blindside for most of the game and we continue to not commit forwards to the breakdown. We had Fijians coming through the middle of the ruck and disrupting the ball.
We know that for the next few weeks we are playing an English side that will attack the breakdown. Do we plan to just go lateral against them? Who is going to protect the ball?
As for the backs, we lived off inside passes against lazy defenders not working across, that space won't be there in future games against fully professional teams.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Who was he going to pass to being on the receiving end of sideways movement and being 5m out from touch... there must've been only one point in the game where he ran with the ball further infield when he made that great break that led to him getting injured... but there were no support players in sight... another issue with the Wallabies right now: lack of support play...
Besides, everytime he had the ball he broke tackles and made valuable metres... he was one of Australia's best the other night...
And he was also fearless under the high ball...
If he wasn't injured he'd be selected at fullback for sure... a back 3 of Mitchell/Ioane/Ashley-Cooper is our RWC combination fo' sure...
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I have stewed for a day or so over the direness of Aus's forward play against Fiji, but enough is enough.
We were rubbish, if it wasn't for shit throwing by the Fijian hooker we would have had no ball for the first half.
We failed to attack their scrum, we failed to protect the ball, we failed to clean out. We seemed afraid of the contact area. They were setting up better rolling mauls that we were FFS.
We had Sharpe playing 10 on the blindside for most of the game and we continue to not commit forwards to the breakdown. We had Fijians coming through the middle of the ruck and disrupting the ball.
We know that for the next few weeks we are playing an English side that will attack the breakdown. Do we plan to just go lateral against them? Who is going to protect the ball?
As for the backs, we lived off inside passes against lazy defenders not working across, that space won't be there in future games against fully professional teams.
This ^^^
Our injury toll is exposing our true lack of depth in certain positions right now... it doesn't help playing with your 3rd and 4th choice hookers... but there's still no reliable backup for Palu... and our lock stocks don't look very threatening...
Sharpe got a lot of praise from the weekend for being the seagull that sees him avoid true forward play...
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Dave Cowper (27)
Havent seen a replay but I was very impressed by the FIjian 15 at the ground. Seemed like a quality player. Anyone know anything about him?
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Geoff Shaw (53)
Sharpe hit the advantage line every time he got the ball. He has played this way all season for the Force which leaves me to believe he was picked for the Wobs to do this. This is the way Sharpe plays, he wasn't disobeying the coaches and the way he mixed it up in attack and defense suggests he wasn't at all being lazy.
Leave the man alone, he serves his purpose.
Leave the man alone, he serves his purpose.
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