Wallabies v England November 1

[Wilson]

I will rarely, rarely watch BTP or any Stan extra content, dunno why just doesn't seem quality to me despite me being a massive rugby loser. Probably a me-problem but youtube is so much more accessible than Stan and I'll put on Squidge or Eggchasers in the background rather than navigate the native Stan app.

I've dropped off a lot of the Stan content too, particularly Rugby Heaven which I find very rote and boring, but that's largely due to it's quality and not because there are better options out there every week taking up my time. I pretty much always watch (or listen to) inside line for example, which I think is still great, even with Harrison bringing it down a bit from the old podcast only version.

Between two posts is a bit in between for me, but I find it works better for the Super Rugby season when there's more to talk about. I don't think their analysis is strong/deep enough to be talking about just one game, but it's about right for covering a whole round at a time, and the trends across the season. I also think it probably suffers from the guys not touring with the squad in the EOYT - there's a lot less insight they can offer when the they're so far from the team, which is where the official broadcasters should otherwise have a leg up.

 

[Dctarget]

Also not helping is that we're terrible and I don't consume much media when we lose.

 

[Major Tom]

Inside Line isn't bad and seems to just focus on the issues of the game. If you can tolerate Harrison it's pretty good imo.
If I was Stan I would be asking Squidge to put together a segment to add to Between Two Posts.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Inside Line isn't bad and seems to just focus on the issues of the game. If you can tolerate Harrison it's pretty good imo.
If I was Stan I would be asking Squidge to put together a segment to add to Between Two Posts.

Why use squidge? They have access to all of these pros, both rugby thinkers and video producers. They can just do a better job of analysis and presenting to fans (maybe these commentators aren't actually that good at analysis?)

 

[Major Tom]

Why use squidge? They have access to all of these pros, both rugby thinkers and video producers. They can just do a better job of analysis and presenting to fans (maybe these commentators aren't actually that good at analysis?)

Seems the easiest option. It's not a booming market here but somebody could put something together. Stan don't seem to have very good analysts (maybe Turinui) so just needs to be anyone that can put together something using data and evidence. AFL have ex players that use champion data and the AFL's own data.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Seems the easiest option. It's not a booming market here but somebody could put something together. Stan don't seem to have very good analysts (maybe Turinui) so just needs to be anyone that can put together something using data and evidence. AFL have ex players that use champion data and the AFL's own data.

For England game, just put up footage of every box kick England did, and analyze where they were aiming and how we dealt with it.

 

[Red Runner]

gees I hated Rod Kafer but Kafe's Chalkboard was decent.

Do NRL and AFL have a show which is just really deep dive analysis? Is that what we are after?

 

[Major Tom]

gees I hated Rod Kafer but Kafe's Chalkboard was decent.

Do NRL and AFL have a show which is just really deep dive analysis? Is that what we are after?

I'll speak for AFL. Fox have First Crack which is after the first game of the week (Thursday) I think. Or it might be Sunday night. They have On the Couch on Monday night where they cover different teams or patterns etc. Both a very good. Ch 7 have footy some too but I don't watch them. Ch 9 has Footy Furnace and they do it on the Sunday Footy show.

 

[Wilson]

Why use squidge? They have access to all of these pros, both rugby thinkers and video producers. They can just do a better job of analysis and presenting to fans (maybe these commentators aren't actually that good at analysis?)

Yeah, there's no need for them to bring Squidge (or someone else like him) in, the guys there are more than capable of this level of analysis, or at least should be - for example, Turinui was a pro coach within the last decade, and his analysis on his old Rugby Ruckus podcast with Ben Kimber was much more detailed than what they offer on Stan.

As far as I can tell they (as in the corporate overlords at Stan/Nine) just don't see the value in investing in it, which is fair enough as a business decision (as much as I don't like it or might disagree). If they were to give it a crack though they'd be much better placed to use their existing talent then bring someone else in, particularly because they're serving a focused, national market, in away Squidge will never.

 

[Major Tom]

Yeah, there's no need for them to bring Squidge (or someone else like him) in, the guys there are more than capable of this level of analysis, or at least should be - for example, Turinui was a pro coach within the last decade, and his analysis on his old Rugby Ruckus podcast with Ben Kimber was much more detailed than what they offer on Stan.

As far as I can tell they (as in the corporate overlords at Stan/Nine) just don't see the value in investing in it, which is fair enough as a business decision (as much as I don't like it or might disagree). If they were to give it a crack though they'd be much better placed to use their existing talent then bring someone else in, particularly because they're serving a focused, national market, in away Squidge will never.

I also think there's not the competition of other networks. In AFL, Fox, Ch 7 and Ch 9 are pumping out content trying to win audiences over. And the audience want to be sold footy intelligence so they can work out if their team is heading in the right direction or who to at least tip every week. Rugby just doesn't demand that IMO.
Anyways, surely whacking together a 5 min video on Between the Posts or Rugby Heaven that analyses something would be better than what currently happens. And paying squidge or nick bishop wouldn't be the worst thing I reckon because they may bring in a new audience.
I might actually watch the show if it was a bit more serious. I watch inside line because I like the topics they debate and they get good and different perspectives (particularly the journalists).

 

[Wilson]

Anyways, surely whacking together a 5 min video on Between the Posts or Rugby Heaven that analyses something would be better than what currently happens.

Isn't that pretty much what already happens? A bit of short, lightweight analysis and preview of the next week that doesn't go anywhere near the depth of 20-30 minute video from the like of Squidge?

It's not completely devoid of analysis currently, it's just fairly surface level, like they're avoiding scaring off the audience with more detail. I don't think this is necessarily a bad approach for the show as it stands, I just think there's a gap in their offering when it comes to in depth analysis and explaining concepts like pod structure and modern kicking tactics.

And paying squidge or nick bishop wouldn't be the worst thing I reckon because they may bring in a new audience.
I might actually watch the show if it was a bit more serious. I watch inside line because I like the topics they debate and they get good and different perspectives (particularly the journalists).

That's not how the streaming product works - no one who isn't already paying for Stan sport is going to stump up for a weekly half hour wallabies analysis from Squidge, all of those people are already paying for the actual rugby content. Squidge existing outside that walled garden is where he is most valuable - it's growing the broader conversation, helping new fans understand the game and the existing ones engage with it at a deeper level, to the point where they might eventually buy Stan (or equivalent) themselves. Ideally Stan would be offering more of that content themselves (with a very specific Australian focus) to help bring those new fans along once they did sign up.

 

[Major Tom]

Isn't that pretty much what already happens? A bit of short, lightweight analysis and preview of the next week that doesn't go anywhere near the depth of 20-30 minute video from the like of Squidge?

It's not completely devoid of analysis currently, it's just fairly surface level, like they're avoiding scaring off the audience with more detail. I don't think this is necessarily a bad approach for the show as it stands, I just think there's a gap in their offering when it comes to in depth analysis and explaining concepts like pod structure and modern kicking tactics.


That's not how the streaming product works - no one who isn't already paying for Stan sport is going to stump up for a weekly half hour wallabies analysis from Squidge, all of those people are already paying for the actual rugby content. Squidge existing outside that walled garden is where he is most valuable - it's growing the broader conversation, helping new fans understand the game and the existing ones engage with it at a deeper level, to the point where they might eventually buy Stan (or equivalent) themselves. Ideally Stan would be offering more of that content themselves (with a very specific Australian focus) to help bring those new fans along once they did sign up.

I guess I need to actually watch BTP to make a better assessment. But from the snippets I've seen it doesn't seem that data driven. Seems more just opinions based off vibe. Again, I don't watch it to make an informed assessment.
If they got squidge I would watch it. But they don't.

 

[Ignoto]

Bring back Kimber and Morgan chatting and through in Reg. Perfect line up.