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Wallabies v Argentina @ CommBank Stadium 7.45pm Sat 15/07

molman

Jim Lenehan (48)
I really wish all teams would adopt the Waratahs habit of releasing injury news about all the players not selected each week, injury and expected week back etc.
Never going to happen when many coaches and teams still see some advantage in not allowing the opposition time to review/analyze exactly who they may be coming up against. Not to mention that most return to play timelines are guesstimates with many milestones along the way.
 

Wilson

Phil Kearns (64)
If we get through with no injuries in the backs (big if with Kerevi & Cooper), who do we expect Kemeny and Leota to replace? Leota replaces Holloway at 6 and Kemeny to 7? Bit odd. Fraser is generally a 80' player. Maybe Kemeny to 6 and Leota to 8 with Bobby V having remit to empty the tank by the 60th.
Will probably depend on game position a bit - I'm sure Eddie will be tempted to give Kemeny a run on the wing, but only if the game is well in hand. Otherwise expect him to come in for McReight, but as Highlander said it might only be the last 10 minutes or so.
 

Joe Blow

John Hipwell (52)
Leota can slot into the row if needed and Kemeny is the “utility”. Could end up anywhere. Looking forward to seeing him run around.
 

Highlander35

Steve Williams (59)
Hooper also played 80 minutes no?

Yes, badly worded: Valetini and Hooper would have been the only forwards coming off 80 minutes: so when the initial teamsheet was discussed, they'd have been the planned subs. Now with Hooper out, that "logical" sub for Kemeny goes with it and hence it may be a 10 minute cameo for him rather than a 20-25 minute go.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
I’m hoping it is more rotational. I thought Frost more active than Skelton.


Why on earth continue with this inaccurate comical characterisation? Wanting a kicking game and wanting to play territory is a foundation of international rugby. Now, doing it well and implementing a plan to regain possession - well there are issues.


I’m with you on the hooker selection, we are roughly aligned around Skelton, I’ll hold judgement on Slipper but initially I’m not minded to agree. I’m also happy to see Nawaqanitawase on board, including his D capability - though yes let’s see it proven.

there is plenty to discuss without poor mischaracterisation of the game plan intent.
Ok Dru. Eddie is on record as saying if a team hasn't scored within 3 phases then kick the ball away. I agree there has to be an element of kicking in the plan but to stipulate 3 phases has no relevance to the state of play at that moment and if implemented would not allow building of phases to gain territory and to disrupt set defences. That is an important aspect of the game that is being ignored.

Harking back to last weekend it seemed to me that we often kicked on first and second phase so any downside of such a plan was probably exacerbated. In any case I think I saw that SA finished with 65% possession against our 35%. Easy to see where the final scoreline had its genesis. That's rocks in the head in my book.
 
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David Wilson (68)
Harking back to last weekend

I was hunting through the stats and it really screams out.
Runs SA 173: Aus 64

Completely agree that the key issue in this game was possession - 37%

Kicking game must improve, chasers must improve, re-gaining the ball must improve. Next game is going to be interesting.
 

RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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If we get through with no injuries in the backs (big if with Kerevi & Cooper), who do we expect Kemeny and Leota to replace? Leota replaces Holloway at 6 and Kemeny to 7? Bit odd. Fraser is generally a 80' player. Maybe Kemeny to 6 and Leota to 8 with Bobby V having remit to empty the tank by the 60th.

neither lock will last the distance.
 

Marce

John Hipwell (52)
This is probably the full strenght WBs backline, the only doubt is the right winger that could be Kellaway, Petaia or Marky

9 White
10 Cooper
11 Koroibete
12 Kerevi
13 Ikitau
14 Marky
15 Wright

So I expect a lot of these guys. Wright is not the people champ but he looks like the new Tom Banks, he's going to play there no matter what. Petaia is more skilled but with his injury record you can't garantize him playing too much games. Maybe the guy who could change this backline is a fit Kellaway, playing at 14 or 15. In that case, the players will be the same: Wright and him playing at 14/15 according Eddie's mind.

So, if the piggies can match the Argie forward pack, this backline should destroy the Pumas.

9 Bertranou
10 Santiago Carreras
11 Mateo Carreras
12 De La Fuente
13 Cinti
14 Isgró
15 Boffelli

Bertranou has so little experience as starter at this level, Santiago Carreras is not a specialist fly-half, he's a skilled player playing at 10 like Petaia playing there. De La Fuente and Boffelli are the stronger backs playing in their traditional positions with experience at European Rugby and international tests. Cinti is not good enough IMO and Isgró is a 7s player playing his first international test.

So if this WBs backline can't smash this Argie backline I can't see how these guys could match the ABs, Boks, French or Irish
 
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KOB1987

John Eales (66)
This is probably the full strenght WBs backline, the only doubt is the right winger that could be Kellaway, Petaia or Marky

9 White
10 Cooper
11 Koroibete
12 Kerevi
13 Ikitau
14 Marky
15 Wright

So I expect a lot of these guys. Wright is not the people champ but he looks like the new Tom Banks, he's going to play there no matter what. Petaia is more skilled but with his injury record you can't garantize him playing too much games. Maybe the guy who could change this backline is a fit Kellaway, playing at 14 or 15. In that case, the players will be the same: Wright and him playing at 14/15 according Eddie's mind.

So, if the piggies can match the Argie forward pack, this backline should destroy the Pumas.

9 Bertranou
10 Santiago Carreras
11 Mateo Carreras
12 De La Fuente
13 Cinti
14 Isgró
15 Boffelli

Bertranou has so little experience at this level, Santiago Carreras is not a specialist fly-half, he's a skilled player playing at 10 like Petaia playing there. De La Fuente and Boffelli are the stronger backs playing in their traditional positions with experience at European Rugby and international tests. Cinti is not good enough IMO and Isgró is a 7s player playing his first international test.

So if this WBs backline can't smash this Argie backline I can't see how these guys could match the ABs, Boks, French or Irish
Thank Marce, good intel for me.
 

KOB1987

John Eales (66)
KOB, it's good to be optimistic, but don't get your hopes up too high is my message. There are still many questions to be asked of this side, and while I agree that Aus rugby is a bit up to shit right now, if Eddie thinks we can win by playing without the ball he has rocks in his head. So, first thing is for him to drop that stupid approach and let the players he has selected do their best in an environment that will allow it.

My issues with some selections are, eg, with some queries about Angus Bell's match fitness and Slipper's apparent tired workrate start the game with Bell and use him for as long as possible before bringing Slipper into the fray. Similar with Porecki/Uelese - start with the injury prone player if he must be there and finish with the more durable. But I really wouldn't have Uelese there at all in preference to Lonergan, Fainga'a, Faessler etc. Also, Mark N (Nawaqanitawase) (Nawaqanitawase) has had some very weak defensive efforts during 2023 Super Rugby, way down on his form last year. If fit, I would prefer either Kellaway (who admittedly has also had some defensive issues this year but most won't concede that) or Jordan Petaia (neither Brumbies, I might add). Otherwise, Arnold, Skelton and McReight are all trying to establish themselves in the test side. I hope they go well for the good of the Wallabies, but they could all quite easily be found to be wanting.
After reading that Uelese is about the only change that could have been made of your suggestions for this game, barring switching Bell & Slipper, but if Bell does go down then Slipper can come back on. Marky was one of the genuine finds of the EOYT last year. I'm not sure why Frost has been rested but it's possibly one of those things we haven't been told about. I hope not too many of your preferred options were in that Australia A team that played just now! I think Eddie's game plan in Pretoria was all about using the altitude and not necessarily a reflection of the one we will be seeing going forward. But we will know more after the game tomorrow night I guess.
 
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Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
This is probably the full strenght WBs backline, the only doubt is the right winger that could be Kellaway, Petaia or Marky

9 White
10 Cooper
11 Koroibete
12 Kerevi
13 Ikitau
14 Marky
15 Wright

So I expect a lot of these guys. Wright is not the people champ but he looks like the new Tom Banks, he's going to play there no matter what. Petaia is more skilled but with his injury record you can't garantize him playing too much games. Maybe the guy who could change this backline is a fit Kellaway, playing at 14 or 15. In that case, the players will be the same: Wright and him playing at 14/15 according Eddie's mind.

So, if the piggies can match the Argie forward pack, this backline should destroy the Pumas.

9 Bertranou
10 Santiago Carreras
11 Mateo Carreras
12 De La Fuente
13 Cinti
14 Isgró
15 Boffelli

Bertranou has so little experience as starter at this level, Santiago Carreras is not a specialist fly-half, he's a skilled player playing at 10 like Petaia playing there. De La Fuente and Boffelli are the stronger backs playing in their traditional positions with experience at European Rugby and international tests. Cinti is not good enough IMO and Isgró is a 7s player playing his first international test.

So if this WBs backline can't smash this Argie backline I can't see how these guys could match the ABs, Boks, French or Irish
A good description Marce, but I think a better Australian comparison would be Noah Lolesio. A skilled player but not a specialist No 10, but in Noah's case also unlikely to have the physicality to play at the top leel in any other position. That I believe is the biggest obstacle to his inclusion in the Wallabies.
 

Marce

John Hipwell (52)
A good description Marce, but I think a better Australian comparison would be Noah Lolesio. A skilled player but not a specialist No 10, but in Noah's case also unlikely to have the physicality to play at the top leel in any other position. That I believe is the biggest obstacle to his inclusion in the Wallabies.
I don't think so. Lolo plays at 10 in Brumbies. So at professional level has been his main position
 
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