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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Fardy and Mowen then?
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Fardy and Mowen then?
None of those options have shown anything in Super Rugby to suggest that they'd be a better 6 for the Wallabies than Higginbotham and Dennis.
I like both Mowen and Jones but their omission from this squad can really just be said to be unlucky rather than unfair.
MMM offers something a bit different and if anything, his past experience in Australia combined with the hype surrounding his return are just reason enough to put him in this squad.
I like both Mowen and Jones but their omission from this squad can really just be said to be unlucky rather than unfair.
MMM offers something a bit different and if anything, his past experience in Australia combined with the hype surrounding his return are just reason enough to put him in this squad.
Meh, neither will ever be a test 6
I agree.
Given that this squad is somewhat tokenistic (or you would think so given that the season hasn't even started yet), I don't have too many problems with MMM being selected purely on hype. Adding a bit of excitement to the Force prior to the season starting is probably a good thing.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Most people would've said that Timani wasn't a test lock......
Anyways, there are several players in that squad who are miles away from a test jersey, and the players I've named wouldn't be any further away.........
I tend to agree, Timani is a compromise because of his lack of lineout skills, but he moves rucks and hits hard in defense.
To me, the difference that gets units to that next level is their x factor.
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Props: Slipper, Robinson, Ryan, Kepu, Alexander, Palmer, Ma'afu
Hookers: Fainga'a, Hanson, TPN, Moore
Locks: Horwill, Simmons, Douglas, Timani, Neville, Pyle
Opensides: Gill, Hooper, Pocock
Blindsides/Number8: Dennis, Higginbotham, McMeniman, Schatz, Palu, McCalman
Halfback: Genia, White, Phipps
Flyhalf: Cooper, Lealifano, Beale,
Centre: Fainga'a, Tapuai, Horne, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), McCabe, Inman
Wing: Shipperly, Ioane, Mitchell, Tomane, Vuna, Cummins
Fullback: Morahan, Barnes, Harris
Utility Back?: Lucas, O'Connor
Bit hard with some of the 'utility backs' and back-row forward because we don't know where RD plans on playing them, but its fairly evident he has picked a squad with quite a bit of depth with 3 or 4 players in every position.
Hookers: Fainga'a, Hanson, TPN, Moore
Locks: Horwill, Simmons, Douglas, Timani, Neville, Pyle
Opensides: Gill, Hooper, Pocock
Blindsides/Number8: Dennis, Higginbotham, McMeniman, Schatz, Palu, McCalman
Halfback: Genia, White, Phipps
Flyhalf: Cooper, Lealifano, Beale,
Centre: Fainga'a, Tapuai, Horne, AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), McCabe, Inman
Wing: Shipperly, Ioane, Mitchell, Tomane, Vuna, Cummins
Fullback: Morahan, Barnes, Harris
Utility Back?: Lucas, O'Connor
Bit hard with some of the 'utility backs' and back-row forward because we don't know where RD plans on playing them, but its fairly evident he has picked a squad with quite a bit of depth with 3 or 4 players in every position.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
My comment was tongue in cheek. I'm not necessarily saying Mowen deserves to be in the Wallabies. But this squad includes just about every rugby player in Australia. If you're going to include guys like Maafu and MMM, why not include Mowen? He did a fine job leading the Brumbies last year and has potential.
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Sorry, but can we backtrack just a bit here?
Am I the only one who finds the headline "Folau omitted from Wallabies traing squad" just a bit ludicrous? The same goes for those calmly discussing the pros and cons of his omission on these boards.
Just a quick reminder that he hasn't even played a game of club rugby or S15 yet, and we are discussing him in the same breath as those in the Wallabies training squad?
Deans meets him for coffee? What about those Super rugby rookies who (unlike Folau) have years of club rugby behind them; does RD meet with them too?
My apologies, but this all seems very, very silly.
Am I the only one who finds the headline "Folau omitted from Wallabies traing squad" just a bit ludicrous? The same goes for those calmly discussing the pros and cons of his omission on these boards.
Just a quick reminder that he hasn't even played a game of club rugby or S15 yet, and we are discussing him in the same breath as those in the Wallabies training squad?
Deans meets him for coffee? What about those Super rugby rookies who (unlike Folau) have years of club rugby behind them; does RD meet with them too?
My apologies, but this all seems very, very silly.
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John Solomon (38)
Gee we're skinny in depth at hooker and halfback.
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I think we are ok at Hooker, we are screwed at halfback if Genia gets injured again though.. Hopefully White can show some class at test level.
It's more a photo session and fitout rather than a training group, I know I'm being pedantic. I think its a case of who Deans thinks will be in the squad. The guys he has left out are the same names he has left out in the past, apart for Samo who is probably behind MMM in his eyes now.
The guys who didn't make it now have some motivation to show Deans they should have been there. They aren't missing any skills or inside games style knowledge. All they are missing out on is a photo in the press issue stuff for the Lions tour.
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Steve Williams (59)
It is, maybe, a bit silly. Obviously a few things behind it though:
To start with, he's generating media interest - across state lines, not just in NSW/Sydney - as a high-profile convert to rugby. He's a good story to follow for rugby n00bs, mungoes and tragics alike. This is not a bad thing.
As an ex-league test star he's also reportedly been paid a $400k top-up contract. Not too many other Soup rookies in that category. I'd think the ARU would like a return on that investment (although maybe they are just happy with the publicity..... à la AFL).
He's also a talented player with some good skills. But he still has to show it for the Waratahs before progressing any further.
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daz
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Let's start him at the beginning, rather than the half-way mark
I understand your points, and I agree with them. I'm sure he will get to a Gold jersey (assuming he doesn't switch to another sport anytime soon).
But Folau and Wallabies in the same breath before a single game at any level since his signing, and making it sound like some kind of surprise? Give me a break, media hacks!
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Steve Williams (59)
When does the Shute start - April?
The Soup will be half over by then. - I don't have a problem with the Tahs parachuting him in. A bit more ambivalent, perhaps, on the top-up (if the reports are to be believed), but the ARU has taken a punt and good luck to them. Probably wouldn't have got Folau otherwise.
Folau was never going to be inducted into gold without even playing one game, and I doubt any serious followers thought he would be. The rugby media need to fill stories in the off-season, though, and this is a pretty good one.
Personally, I doubt Izzy will play a test against the Lions. It would be another big punt from the ARU if he did. But if he sticks around in rugby a bit longer and does well he's a decent chance of being capped.
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The Soup will be half over by then.
- I don't have a problem with the Tahs parachuting him in. A bit more ambivalent, perhaps, on the top-up (if the reports are to be believed), but the ARU has taken a punt and good luck to them. Probably wouldn't have got Folau otherwise.Folau was never going to be inducted into gold without even playing one game, and I doubt any serious followers thought he would be. The rugby media need to fill stories in the off-season, though, and this is a pretty good one.
Personally, I doubt Izzy will play a test against the Lions. It would be another big punt from the ARU if he did. But if he sticks around in rugby a bit longer and does well he's a decent chance of being capped.
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