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Wallabies squad named

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Steve Williams (59)
It's being reported in the Canberra Times today that Ben Alexander is about to re-sign for another two years with the Brumbies, and that Dan Palmer has been linked with a possible move to France.

That's good news for Benny A, but I don't know if the outcome for Palmer is a good one. It may be press speculation or jaw-boning from an agent but it does highlight a problem already touched on in this thread.

In Europe the highest paid rugby players are ..... props! Specifically at THP. Yes, star play-makers are also in the mix, but quality props often eat first. It's a different story here - and it's hurting us.

A few pages back I mentioned being ambivalent about Israel Folau's ARU top-up; reportedly $400k. The positives included media publicity for the code-convert story, and that's welcome. But balanced against this is the fact that, player-wise, our shortfall is in the forwards, not the backs.

Whether Folau shoots the lights out or not, we'd still have a lot of good winger-fullbacks in this country. However, if the Wallabies can actually start winning silverware such as the Bledisloe, it'd be worth a helluva lot more publicity-wise than the Izzy story.

I'd like that $400k (or more - say $500k) to be split four or five ways as an extra top-up incentive to the best and most promising THPs, like Palmer and Ryan (or Kepu, Alexander, ..... - leaving personal bias out of it). This extra payment would be contingent on the player being at a province where he'd be the first choice starter.

If a player is looking at France for cash, he should be willing to look at Melbourne or Brisbane - with the right top-up and the chance to play in gold.
 

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Plenty of discussion about our best THP but who is our best TH Lock? Even the media seemed to have now acknowledged the important role THL's play at scrum time but I wonder where this skill is rated in terms of a locks skill set - from the Wobs perspective probably well behind lineout skills, work at the breakdown and general play.

Perhaps the selection of THL should focus as much on their scrummaging ability as their other skills.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Quade, MMM, & Inman in.
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Israel out.
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Israel Folau not on Wallabies radar - for now
Jim Morton, January 14, 2013 - 6:29 PM​
Former Wallabies forward Hugh McMeniman is on the radar for an immediate Test return against the British and Irish Lions after being included in Australia's early-year preparations.​
But code-hopper Israel Folau may be further away than he'd hoped after being left out of a logistics camp involving 49 of the country's top players.​
Just months after returning from a three-year stint in Japan, McMeniman was among players who assembled in Sydney on Monday for the camp which sees them outfitted, photographed and involved in promotional work for the season ahead.​
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While virtually all of last year's 42 Test players were involved, there were notable exclusions on top of league international Folau, who will make his rugby debut for the NSW Waratahs next month.​
... A Wallabies spokesman played down the significance of the prospective squad.​
"It doesn't guarantee them anything," he said.​
"If you're not here it doesn't mean you're not a Wallaby this year - it comes down to what you do on the field...​
Queensland Reds (16): Saia Fainga'a, James Hanson, James Slipper, James Horwill, Rob Simmons, Jake Schatz, Liam Gill, Will Genia, Ben Lucas, Quade Cooper, Ben Tapaui, Anthony Fainga'a, Mike Harris, Dom Shipperley, Digby Ioane, Luke Morahan.​
NSW Waratahs (13): Tatafu Polota-Nau, Benn Robinson, Paddy Ryan, Sekope Kepu, Kane Douglas, Sitaleki Timani, Dave Dennis, Michael Hooper, Wycliff Palu, Berrick Barnes, Rob Horne, Adam Ashley-Cooper, Drew Mitchell.​
Brumbies (8): Stephen Moore, Ben Alexander, Dan Palmer, David Pocock, Nic White, Christian Lealiifano, Pat McCabe, Joe Tomane.​
Melbourne Rebels (8): Cadeyrn Neville, Hugh Pyle, Scott Higginbotham, Nick Phipps, Kurtley Beale, James O'Connor, Mitch Inman, Cooper Vuna.​
Western Force (4): Salesi Ma'afu, Hugh McMeniman, Ben McCalman, Nick Cummins.​


Could someone please fill me in on what exactly a "logistics camp" is? And why would you even bother when none of the super teams have even played a trial match yet? (Apart from giving G&GR enthusiasts something to talk about)

Surely this is putting the cart before the horse.

Does it/will it achieve anything?

Wouldn't these guys be better off training/preparing with their super teams to actually perform on the field, rather than going to another camp?
 
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Could someone please fill me in on what exactly a "logistics camp" is? And why would you even bother when none of the super teams have even played a trial match yet? (Apart from giving G&GR enthusiasts something to talk about)

Surely this is putting the cart before the horse.

Does it/will it achieve anything?

Wouldn't these guys be better off training/preparing with their super teams to actually perform on the field, rather than going to another camp?

It was only a weekend camp, maybe 3 days so they didn't lose any real training time with the clubs... Most teams have a rest period from training over the weekend anyway.

From what It sounded like it was just photoshops, sizings, random PR related stuff that they will pull out and recycle in 4 months time... It's going to be a tight schedule leading up to the Lions matches so it makes sense to do it now..yeah there may be a few wildcard in 4 months time, but the majority of the squad is covered.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Hope they covered some "life skills" training as well such as use of twitter, after hours behaviour expectations, etc at this camp.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
So, you don't know what the purpose of the camp is, and yet you are willing to criticise it?

I was asking questions, as it seems to be strange timing.

Fortunately we don't live in communist China, so we're still allowed to question things.

Even a "wallabies spokesman" played down its significance.

As as Waratahs supporter, I'd prefer the players spending as much time with Michael Cheika and as little with Robbie Deans as possible.
 
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fair enough, but i think it was the last weekend before the wallabies were required to their respective clubs anyway, either way i don't think a weekend away is really going to inconvenience the Tahs pre-season
 

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Phil Kearns (64)
I was asking questions, as it seems to be strange timing.

Fortunately we don't live in communist China, so we're still allowed to question things.


"Surely this is putting the cart before the horse" is definitely not a question.


A moment's thought will tell you that putting together all the administrative and logistical detail for a very full season of training and playing at the national level is a huge task, not to mention ensuring that all the players fully understand what is required of them, lines of communication, travel and outfitting detail, accommodation etc etc. I assume that this is also an opportunity for Deans to spend some time with some of the newer players, to ensure that they know what will be expected of them, and for them to spend some time with each other.


I suppose the ARU could have sent them a 50 page memo.



I have never been to China, but I do know a bit about professional sport, and I have to say that there is a bit more to it than most amateurs imagine.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Tahs not too happy as Kane Douglas rolled his ankle in a promo during the camp. Unable to train for at least couple of weeks.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...r-needless-douglas-injury-20130117-2cvnw.html

Quick Hands = Nostradamus!
It is very odd that Dingo needs more time with them after "working his magic" so recently on the EOYT when their next game is months away: very hard to see what sort of additional understanding of one another or of the coach could have been engendered at such a remote point in time.
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I suppose the ARU could have sent them a 50 page memo.

Based on everything other than Deans' radio interview after missing out on the AB's job I would have gone down the memo route - as long as it wasn't a stream of what he seems pleased to call his consciousness.

If this was just so they could have moving images for the TV when the teams are being introduced I dont see why that cant be done in the provinces: there are Tv cameras in Perth I assume.

And if its about the gear - the AB's seem to have that covered:
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
fair enough, but i think it was the last weekend before the wallabies were required to their respective clubs anyway, either way i don't think a weekend away is really going to inconvenience the Tahs pre-season

Indeed. These guys are being paid more in top ups than most Australian families earn. I'm sure they can give up the last long weekend of their holidays without attracting undue moaning from the gallery.
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
"Surely this is putting the cart before the horse" is definitely not a question.


A moment's thought will tell you that putting together all the administrative and logistical detail for a very full season of training and playing at the national level is a huge task, not to mention ensuring that all the players fully understand what is required of them, lines of communication, travel and outfitting detail, accommodation etc etc. I assume that this is also an opportunity for Deans to spend some time with some of the newer players, to ensure that they know what will be expected of them, and for them to spend some time with each other.


I suppose the ARU could have sent them a 50 page memo.



I have never been to China, but I do know a bit about professional sport, and I have to say that there is a bit more to it than most amateurs imagine.

Do all 42 players need to know the minutiae of admin and logistical detail? (5 months before the 1st Wallaby match)

Wouldn't you just explain this to the players who are selected in the 1st squad?

Wouldn't players wear the same size in clothing, jerseys etc for the Wallabies as they do for their super team? Wouldn't 5 e-mails with a spreadsheet of sizings be sufficient?

Wouldn't ARU media have suffiicient footage of players in action?

Without denigrating anyone, would the ARU really use all 42 in promos? Wouldn't you use the most widely known 5 or 10?
 

Quick Hands

David Wilson (68)
Quick Hands = Nostradamus!
It is very odd that Dingo needs more time with them after "working his magic" so recently on the EOYT when their next game is months away: very hard to see what sort of additional understanding of one another or of the coach could have been engendered at such a remote point in time.

The defence rests.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Indeed. These guys are being paid more in top ups than most Australian families earn. I'm sure they can give up the last long weekend of their holidays without attracting undue moaning from the gallery.
That's not the point:
(a) they havent been on holidays - theyve been training (most of them) with their provinces;
(b) they should have been at work with their provinces.

I have a hunch this was a power play.
 
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That's not the point:
(a) they havent been on holidays - theyve been training (most of them) with their provinces;
(b) they should have been at work with their provinces.

I have a hunch this was a power play.

Once again, the camp was held over the weekend when the clubs don't usually train anyway, the boys were all on flights home Monday morning...

It's not as though they were plucked out mid-week just before the season starts. A large number of those who toured in the EOYT were still on holidays.. And then there are those didnt tour who haven't been in the wallaby set-up for months.... Genia, Pocock, Horwill, JOC (James O'Connor)...
 

Groucho

Greg Davis (50)
Do all 42 players need to know the minutiae of admin and logistical detail? (5 months before the 1st Wallaby match)

Wouldn't you just explain this to the players who are selected in the 1st squad?

Wouldn't players wear the same size in clothing, jerseys etc for the Wallabies as they do for their super team? Wouldn't 5 e-mails with a spreadsheet of sizings be sufficient?

Wouldn't ARU media have suffiicient footage of players in action?

Without denigrating anyone, would the ARU really use all 42 in promos? Wouldn't you use the most widely known 5 or 10?

Getting a national squad together for a few days before a season starts is perfectly reasonable. Finding fault with it smacks of paranoia and obsession.

New Zealand, for example, bonds considerably more closely throughout the year.

It doesn't seem to hurt their game.
 
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