Wallabies squad for Ireland series

[RugbyReg]

So it seems Lukhan Tui will be having a run this weekend. For Souths Reserve grade v Logan. Perfect preparation for a test match.

 

[Joe Blow]

Timani to join the squad?

 

[Brumby Runner]

The interesting but unknown aspect of the Brumbies playing their three stars is the likelihood of Cheika omitting Allan Ala'alatoa from the first test altogether, starting Kepu and having Tupou on the bench. If he were to do that but still play Sio and Pocock who are in the same boat as Allan, then it would definitely smack of retribution against the one player where there are suitable alternatives. The fact that he wanted Allan rested is taken as a sure sign he was earmarked for the first test before the standoff with the Brumbies came about.

 

[Derpus]

The interesting but unknown aspect of the Brumbies playing their three stars is the likelihood of Cheika omitting Allan Ala'alatoa from the first test altogether, starting Kepu and having Tupou on the bench. If he were to do that but still play Sio and Pocock who are in the same boat as Allan, then it would definitely smack of retribution against the one player where there are suitable alternatives. The fact that he wanted Allan rested is taken as a sure sign he was earmarked for the first test before the standoff with the Brumbies came about.

Or, crazy thought, he'll start Tupou because he will be rested and will have no choice but to start Pocock and Sio because there are no equally appealing options.

Retribution my ass. He just wanted his fucking first teamers rested. I don't get how you lot are getting so wound up over this.

 

[mst]

Or, crazy thought, he'll start Tupou because he will be rested and will have no choice but to start Pocock and Sio because there are no equally appealing options.

Retribution my ass. He just wanted his fucking first teamers rested. I don't get how you lot are getting so wound over this.

Wounded Wound up? If you want wounded wound up you should have seen the comment some bloke put in the paper yesterday that really shows a wounded wound up mindset and "team" attitude:

Edited.
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...-despite-request-to-rest-20180601-p4zitb.html

 

[Derpus]

Haha im impressed. I corrected my post above to say 'wound up'.

 

[mst]

Seems no one wants to help nor listen to Cheika or RA.

In an outcome which rules Samu out of making his Test debut for the Wallabies against Ireland this month, New Zealand Rugby confirmed its stipulations hadn't been met.

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/sp...s-nz-cash-offer-for-samu-20180602-p4zj1v.html

 

[Derpus]

Guess Timani or Higgers ought to be called up then.

 

[Joe Blow]

Should be Higgers to add weight to the lineout but it will be Timani.
This weekends games give opportunity to all the 6/8s.

 

[kiap]

he loses $50,000 potentially, so I can see why someone has to pay something!

Samu wouldn't lose anything in the June window. No impact on availability for Soup and Mitre-10, no cash lost.

He's lost that test cap now.

We move on.

 

[mst]

Should be Higgers to add weight to the lineout but it will be Timani.
This weekends games give opportunity to all the 6/8s.

Cheika's apparently been on the phone asking that all the 6 and 8's be rested but play the whole game but not longer than 20mins after they don't run on.

 

[Strewthcobber]

Samu wouldn't lose anything in the June window. No impact on availability for Soup and Mitre-10, no cash lost.

He's lost that test cap now.

We move on.

Samu signed a contract guaranteeing that he would only play for New Zealand and no other nation during the terms of the contract.

To play for the Wallabies would mean breaching his contract and breaking his word. Too many Wallabies of late have gone down that path. He would have lost his credibility if he played. What's that worth?

#onlyhalfjoking/serious

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[RedsHappy]

Fixed. Hate you to miss blaming someone.

I get the parochial fervour and 'amusing' homespun blog editing, but surely you aren't serious on any level where facts matter.

Why do we think we have a situation where the Brumbies, Reds, etc home crowds are now at disastrous levels? Who precisely has made it that way? Will it be corrected with one home victory?

You seem to think that one weekend's possible victory over the Sunwolves is really far more important right now than any other identifiable dimension of code health in Australia as exists in June 2018.

The facts - commercial and otherwise - point in an entirely different direction.

We have a situation of booked attendances at Ireland vs Australia, 42,000 sell-out Sydney, near sell-out Melbourne 29,000+, and likely 42,000 + Brisbane? Let's say 113,000 times a (conservative) net per seat gross yield of $70 = $7,910,000. Not too bad for 3 matches. Red and Brums might each get for one Super game in 2018, say 8,000 seats times a gross yield of $25 = $200,000 X 3 matches = $600,000 (the real net take-home $s for these Super sides will be way less than this as these crowd levels start to get dangerously near only a gross $ profit break-even point in relation to stadium hire and stadium running costs per game.)

There will be a great atmosphere at these Test events - in many ways they are the last bastions of pro rugby in this country, the last breaths of life and a pulse that affirms it.

The reason is that, in Australian pro rugby, the _only_ thing holding together with some semblance of solidity is (a) Australian's love of our national teams in most sports (and League and AFL don't have them, well, in the former case, not really) and (b) Australian rugby fans are smart enough to know that Ireland's 2018 version is up for a great contest.

Even more critically, the only serious profit making machine yielding +ve cash flow to the whole code we have in Australian rugby is the Wallabies - it is a simple and also crucial fact that if fan, viewership and sponsorship collapses for the Wallabies, that collapse will take Australian pro rugby and all its funding for the amateur branch down with it, fully and finally.

Wallaby commercial viability though is at risk: annual total Wallaby crowds are falling and if there is a repeat vs Ireland of the humiliation vs England 2016, and when combined with Bled Cup barrenness for over a decade, there are good grounds to suspect that we will see a tipping point where fan and sponsor support for the Wallaby brand could head irrevocably downwards to profitless levels thus threatening the entire code's viability.

Thus, every fact and sensible argument points to the conclusion that State and Terriritory RU's should - in their own strategic interests no less - support the delivery of the very best possible Wallaby team, not only in its make up, but equally in its pre-game preparedness, to win as many Tests as possible.

That the Brumbies coaches and management, on little but short-term parochial grounds, did not appear to share this analysis and grasp of priority only points to the type of poor judgement and lack of business viability common sense that may in part be responsible for the truly parlous state they find their team, their coaches and its support crowds to be in.

 

[kiap]

Samu signed a contract guaranteeing that he would only play for New Zealand and no other nation during the terms of the contract.

To play for the Wallabies would mean breaching his contract and breaking his word. Too many Wallabies of late have gone down that path. He would have lost his credibility if he played. What's that worth?

#onlyhalfjoking/serious

Ahhhh, I'd suggest Samu's not too focused on what's written down.

Does his talking while on the field:

 

[RedsHappy]

Whoa, settle down there Jackie Chiles....

It would be absolutely ludicrous, preposterous, bone-headed and foolish for the Brumbies to keep shooting themselves in the foot over and over again with such irrationally inconceivable behaviour as to deny the Wallaby coaches' requests...

I've learnt how to do this editing stuff from mst. Such clever stuff too.

 

[mst]

I get the parochial fervour and 'amusing' homespun blog editing, but surely you aren't serious on any level where facts matter.

Why do we think we have a situation where the Brumbies, Reds, etc home crowds are now at disastrous levels? Who precisely has made it that way? Will it be corrected with one home victory?

You seem to think that one weekend's possible victory over the Sunwolves is really far more important right now than any other identifiable dimension of code health in Australia as exists in June 2018.

The facts - commercial and otherwise - point in an entirely different direction.

We have a situation of booked attendances at Ireland vs Australia, 42,000 sell-out Sydney, near sell-out Melbourne 29,000+, and likely 42,000 + Brisbane? Let's say 113,000 times a (conservative) net per seat gross yield of $70 = $7,910,000. Not too bad for 3 matches. Red and Brums might each get for one Super game in 2018, say 8,000 seats times a gross yield of $25 = $200,000 X 3 matches = $600,000 (the real net take-home $s for these Super sides will be way less than this as these crowd levels start to get dangerously near only a gross $ profit break-even point in relation to stadium hire and stadium running costs per game.)

There will be a great atmosphere at these Test events - in many ways they are the last bastions of pro rugby in this country, the last breaths of life and a pulse that affirms it.

The reason is that, in Australian pro rugby, the _only_ thing holding together with some semblance of solidity is (a) Australian's love of our national teams in most sports (and League and AFL don't have them, well, in the former case, not really) and (b) Australian rugby fans are smart enough to know that Ireland's 2018 version is up for a great contest.

Even more critically, the only serious profit making machine yielding +ve cash flow to the whole code we have in Australian rugby is the Wallabies - it is a simple and also crucial fact that if fan, viewership and sponsorship collapses for the Wallabies, that collapse will take Australian pro rugby and all its funding for the amateur branch down with it, fully and finally.

Wallaby commercial viability though is at risk: annual total Wallaby crowds are falling and if there is a repeat vs Ireland of the humiliation vs England 2016, and when combined with Bled Cup barrenness for over a decade, there are good grounds to suspect that we will see a tipping point where fan and sponsor support for the Wallaby brand could head irrevocably downwards to profitless levels thus threatening the entire code's viability.

Thus, every fact and sensible argument points to the conclusion that State and Terriritory RU's should - in their own strategic interests no less - support the delivery of the very best possible Wallaby team, not only in its make up, but equally in its pre-game preparedness, to win as many Tests as possible.

That the Brumbies coaches and management, on little but short-term parochial grounds, did not appear to share this analysis and grasp of priority only points to the type of poor judgement and lack of business viability common sense that may in part be responsible for the truly parlous state they find their team, their coaches and its support crowds to be in.

Spot on. - well argued Cameron C. Lets just kill of the Soup as its just an inconvenient money pit. No one will miss it. But without Soup where would that leave the Wallabies?

 

[Zero_Cool]

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/australia-say-no-to-nz-demands-for-samu-release-20180602

Australia and New Zealand have failed to agree to terms on a deal to allow Pete Samu to play.

Who's up Higgers, ASY (Angus Scott-Young), Miller, Wells?

Any any of the Brumbies options not injured at the moment (Naisarani's still not eligible is he)?

 

[Up the Guts]

Uelese looks like he will be out so they'll probably call up Latu or Fitzpatrick.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Uelese looks like he will be out so they'll probably call up Latu or Fitzpatrick.

Not Rangi?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/australia-say-no-to-nz-demands-for-samu-release-20180602

Australia and New Zealand have failed to agree to terms on a deal to allow Pete Samu to play.

Who's up Higgers, ASY (Angus Scott-Young), Miller, Wells?

Any any of the Brumbies options not injured at the moment (Naisarani's still not eligible is he)?

That’s a pretty embarrassing fuck up.
Leaving a spot open.
Not getting it squared away before the team announcement.
Cheika and RA were living in a fantasy land by assuming NZRU would help them out.
Amateur hour.
Cheika is always looking for the ineligible player to plug the problem: that’s how we got giteu’s law.
Just fuckin’ Pick your next best available player and COACH him, FFS.