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Mark Ella (57)
Agree but then again it's not up to us. The important bloke calling the shots is the Referee and they keep pinging him, rightly or wrongly.
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Agree but then again it's not up to us. The important bloke calling the shots is the Referee and they keep pinging him, rightly or wrongly.
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Good players know how to play both the ref and the opposition... if you’re consistently getting unfairly pinged for doing the same thing, then you need to assess what it is you’re doing
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
I'd have to disagree........ if anything it was the opposite - he rarely supported his own body weight.
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David Wilson (68)
Marx (and Creevy) may stand out, but SA has nothing like their former prowess in fetching. I’m not convinced that NZ turnover stats are anything to be proud about either.
There is a palpable shift in the game to reduce penalties from the ruck, and fetching is being effected.
That said our card rate was crazy, Cheika made a determined effort to fix it, and he did. It is another awesome improvement. Some of us however still yearn for the fetcher and could cope with chancing the ref a touch more than right now. Comparing to other nations in the RC isnt really a valid metric as they are all chasing the same conservative approach to the ruck and ruck penalties.
Surely what the other teams are doing is relevant, particularly the ones we play most frequently. The key point I was making is that those teams are producing more turnovers than us and are attacking the defensive breakdown more often. They aren't doing it predominantly through their 7 or even their backrow though. On backrow metrics we are absolutely competitive in that regard. Clearly David Pocock would increase our number of turnovers won if he joined the backrow because he's the best exponent of it in World Rugby. To provide more breakdown pressure across the park though and be competitive in that regard with our opposition requires players doing it in other positions. We're not going to achieve it just by having a backrow that has players with better fetching skills in it.
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David Wilson (68)
The teams we play most frequently is a fair metric for just that. SA are at an eb.
At any rate I’m not really disagreeing and the discipline improvement is certainly welcome.
Pocock may well help, if he regains form quickly, but what I’m more thinking about is the strategy. Pulling back on cards - brilliant. But in the Cheika constant improve, I think there is room to get a bit more edgy.
At any rate I’m not really disagreeing and the discipline improvement is certainly welcome.
Pocock may well help, if he regains form quickly, but what I’m more thinking about is the strategy. Pulling back on cards - brilliant. But in the Cheika constant improve, I think there is room to get a bit more edgy.
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I thought the new ruck laws may reduce the impact of the fetcher, after watching the U20s JWC and NRC, I’m not sure that will actually be the case. Whilst I can’t find exact statistics I remember watching Liam Wright secure a few turnovers each game, and the NRC stats reflect similarly.
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Steve Williams (59)
Point taken about Savea but I'm not suggesting we play two guys without a kicking game. I'm all for having two fullbacks with one on the wing, I said prior to Bledislode 3 the ABs looked unbalanced because they lacked a noted kicker either on the wing or in the centres. I was simply making the observation that many wingers nowadays don't have any kicking game whereas a while back it was a rarer phenomenon.
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Alan Cameron (40)
How big is the squad that we're taking on this tour? And who do you all think will be the side facing Japan?
Ideally, I'd like to see a slightly larger than normal squad, with a B XV to face Japan, with A team reinforcements on the bench incase things get a little bit how-ya-goin.
I'd then like to see some B team players filtered into the 23 against Wales and Scotland (only a couple each time - we can't afford to take the piss) and a full strength 23 to go against England.
Players like Kepu, Coleman, Hooper, Genia, Foley have all played a tremendous amount of rugby in the past little while across a crazy amount of the world.
As the spine of the team going into the World Cup we certainly need to protect them.
Ideally, I'd like to see a slightly larger than normal squad, with a B XV to face Japan, with A team reinforcements on the bench incase things get a little bit how-ya-goin.
I'd then like to see some B team players filtered into the 23 against Wales and Scotland (only a couple each time - we can't afford to take the piss) and a full strength 23 to go against England.
Players like Kepu, Coleman, Hooper, Genia, Foley have all played a tremendous amount of rugby in the past little while across a crazy amount of the world.
As the spine of the team going into the World Cup we certainly need to protect them.
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Steve Williams (59)
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Jim Lenehan (48)
4 matches left, id be looking to play full strength for all of them.
Perhaps in the Japanese game, we could rest some of the older bodies or see some mass changes at or around the half time mark and considering the score. But the more games they play together the better.
Only guys i'd be looking to rest would be Kepu or TPN for Uelese and AAT. And ditch Simmons for Tui in the Japanese game but if mass changes happened for the Japanese game, some guys would of played only 1 game in the best part of 5 weeks come the first test in Europe
RC - Arg (away)
rest Bledisloe 3
rest (Barbarians game)
rest (Japan)
Europe (Wales i think)
Perhaps in the Japanese game, we could rest some of the older bodies or see some mass changes at or around the half time mark and considering the score. But the more games they play together the better.
Only guys i'd be looking to rest would be Kepu or TPN for Uelese and AAT. And ditch Simmons for Tui in the Japanese game but if mass changes happened for the Japanese game, some guys would of played only 1 game in the best part of 5 weeks come the first test in Europe
RC - Arg (away)
rest Bledisloe 3
rest (Barbarians game)
rest (Japan)
Europe (Wales i think)
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Agreed, Cheika has a chance to flesh out his stats a little now so i can't see why he wouldn't be going all out. Bled 3 + some youth development pushes the year into a pass mark but if we win all 4 remaining games it's closer to a credit.
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Luckhan Tui has done his hammy and won’t be on the spring tour
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Simon Poidevin (60)
Quade gets sent off for 10 for yet another high tackle.
Hard to think of anything QC (Quade Cooper) could do to make it less likely that he'll ever get picked again
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Hard to think of anything QC (Quade Cooper) could do to make it less likely that he'll ever get picked again
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Jason Little (69)
Cheika was certainly blowing up in the coaches' box.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Who is the "yes man" who is always next to him? He's started aping Cheika's mannerisms.
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