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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Very good point.
Maddocks hasn’t looked quite as compelling in NRC, IMO.
Wallabies EOYT 2017
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Maddocks hasn’t looked quite as compelling in NRC, IMO.
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Maddocks at a raw potential level looks fantastic, however Banks seems a more rounded player with a year of full time Super Rugby behind him and a couple of development season at the Reds. Long term, I think Maddocks has more to offer at test level then Banks, for which I don’t disagree that Maddocks is the better development choice.
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Steve Williams (59)
Maddocks vs Banks vs Perese is a very long term discussion barring injury. Koroibete and Hodge are both locked in for the forseeable future and I don't see them ever getting a realistic shot at locking down 15 until Folau retires. As good as they may become, Speight is also ahead of them as it stands right now, classy finish from him yesterday. Might be best to give them all some time around the Wallabies set-up in the next couple of years so they're ready for starting roles sometime post 2019 WC
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Bob Loudon (25)
If anything, Timani’s highlights were his midfield quick hands
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Ken Catchpole (46)
*picks Duncan ridiculously out of position*
*Duncan scores two tries, sets up another*
Cheika: "you're dropped."
^^^^^ that right there is Richard F. Graham level man management skills and anyone that thinks any differently is clearly related to Cheika.
Duncan's not a 10, and I don't believe he necessarily played a strong 10 game (but considering his background it was well above expected), but the outcome now requires a certain level of attention and care which I have doubts will occur.
Tldr: Cheika has shown that he has the man management skills of Richard Graham
*Duncan scores two tries, sets up another*
Cheika: "you're dropped."
^^^^^ that right there is Richard F. Graham level man management skills and anyone that thinks any differently is clearly related to Cheika.
Duncan's not a 10, and I don't believe he necessarily played a strong 10 game (but considering his background it was well above expected), but the outcome now requires a certain level of attention and care which I have doubts will occur.
Tldr: Cheika has shown that he has the man management skills of Richard Graham
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Jason Little (69)
Holloway must be one of the most unlucky players with injuries impacting on his career at higher levels. Fit and in form he is a better player than many on the tour. I would have liked to have seen him included even just on the basis of a couple of games back from injury. Same boat as McCalman, and more recent game time than Dempsey had when introduced to the Wallabies this year.
I don't think Banks is near the status of a development player, to me he was unlucky not to be in the actual squad; and is still likely to be called across if there is an injury or two
He was brought into the squad for one game, a non test when 13 players from the existing squad were rested. He then doesn't get selected for the EOYT like most of the players added to the squad for that game. Only two players from that squad plus one Barbarians player got added to the EOYT and they were as injury replacements or as a development player.
I think the logic is that Maddocks went as a development player rather than Banks because Banks potentially has two NRC finals to play and Maddocks isn't going to play on tour.
Perese has been in the squad all rugby championship. I don't think he was ever in danger of losing his spot to Banks but essentially that is what would have needed to happen for Banks to tour.
Perese has been in the squad all rugby championship. I don't think he was ever in danger of losing his spot to Banks but essentially that is what would have needed to happen for Banks to tour.
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Colin Windon (37)
Lots of the confusion around this seems to be early remarks from Cheika that the game was being an audition for your spots so there was this idea that if you had a blinder in the game you'd potentially be on the plane to Europe.
Then just before the game Cheika announced that "there's one or two" spots left to select.
So the chances of winning a tour spot through playing the house down were greatly reduced....
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
He seems like a pretty good 10 to me. Threw a few 50/50 passes but it was against the Baabaa's so par for the course. He also seems to square up and hit the line on occasion, like Foley, and scored a very Foley-like try. We have plenty of 12's and not many 10's. Could see why Cheika wants to develop him this way. Plus, if Cheika wasn't going to bring Quade (who had a better game) i don't see why he would bring Duncan.
How many spots did people think there might be? I don't think there was ever the suggestion or I can imagine the belief from the players that there were a whole lot of tour spots available.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
then don't pick him at 10 to begin with.
Simple.
"There is a few spots open, there is some opportunities in this game," Cheika said. "It's almost difficult to think about putting that touring team together.
Cheika's words.
BH, You think Duncan went into that game thinking it was a one off, never to be repeated venture?
Damage has been done. Poor man management.
Simple.
"There is a few spots open, there is some opportunities in this game," Cheika said. "It's almost difficult to think about putting that touring team together.
Cheika's words.
BH, You think Duncan went into that game thinking it was a one off, never to be repeated venture?
Damage has been done. Poor man management.
Why not? He is a 12 like a bunch of other players in contention but has the capacity to play 10 as well rather than the other options who would be a 12/13. It's a point of difference that might ultimately advance his career. I can't imagine Paia'aua would prefer not to be selected at all than to get a crack playing 10.
Who says he has been judged solely on that performance? He was highly unlikely to make the EOYT regardless. He certainly wouldn't have made it if he wasn't picked for the Barbarians game. I don't really understand the premise that he has been somehow done a great disservice by spending a week in the Wallaby squad and getting an opportunity to play against the Barbarians albeit not in his best position. I'd have thought he has improved his long term prospects by that performance.
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John Eales (66)
I don't think he was judging him on that performance at all, as I said before the game I think it was about giving him an opportunity and exposure to the 10 jersey at a reasonably high level. The dual playmaker setup requires that the 12 be able to cover for the 10, look how often Beale is at first receiver. It was a positive step with the future in mind. He isn't touring because we have heaps of options at 12 at the moment and he isn't test ready for 10.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
don't bother replying - I'm done with the conversation.
You won't convince me that he has been treated well, or that it was well thought out, or even the right thing to do. He was not selected on this tour after his performance in that game. I'd classify that as being judgedon yhat performance.
There is no point continuing it. I've said what I said, and you've said your part.
*edit* - I am not his mum.
You won't convince me that he has been treated well, or that it was well thought out, or even the right thing to do. He was not selected on this tour after his performance in that game. I'd classify that as being judgedon yhat performance.
There is no point continuing it. I've said what I said, and you've said your part.
*edit* - I am not his mum.
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