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Wallabies at the Rugby World Cup 2011

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Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Exactly right - as one mentioned before.



In another thread discussing the physically mature and rugby mature England Schools players who were all connected with a pro club academy, I postulated that the new ARU academy system should be regionalised. Melbourne, Perth and the ACT could have one each but there should be a couple in Qld and three in Sydney.

The three in Sydney could be along the lines of the old ARC teams and this would be better than just having one attached to the Tahs. Promising schoolboys who did not go to a private school could be trained at an academy that was closer to home than having to go to Moore Park - much like a league player of the same age would do at the club that was recruiting him. They would also get on field training by their local Colts team who would be in contact with the regional academy.

If one was based at Parramatta and one at Penrith they could share facilities with the two weakest Shute sides and give them a leg up in a competition they desperately need. But I doubt it would pass muster with the eastern suburbs oligopoly.
 
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Greenfire

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Australia being branded as bad and ungracious losers in Ireland

Since last weeks match between Ireland and Australia there has been increasing talk in irish media about the Australian media response.
Essentially what is being said is that there is no attempt from Australia to recognise the Irish performance instead everything is focussed on
-How bad Australia were.
-How bad the ref was
-How Ireland "cheated" their way to victory
etc etc.
There is also an awful lot of discussion about Australian arrogance and condecension towards Ireland before ,during and after the game.

I include as an example a piece from one of yesterdays national papers.
This Australian whinging was also discussed on national radio on news item this morning.
It seems like you have not just lost the match last week ,but many friends in ireland by your media and ex players reaction .

See the article below for a small flavour of whats being said.....


AUSTRALIA might be world-renowned for its vineyards, but the grapes turned rapidly sour after their rugby loss to the boys in green.

While the two countries have always enjoyed a special relationship off the pitch, it seems the bitter taste of defeat has left Aussies a little less welcoming.

Down Under pundits have attempted to belittle Ireland's historic win at the Rugby World Cup, accusing coach Declan Kidney of adopting a "rope-a-dope style".

Newspaper and TV reports in Australia have been far from gracious about our big win, saying Ireland played ugly rugby.

Andrew Slack from Sydney's Daily Telegraph definitely gets the gong for the worst loser with his piece entitled: "Wallabies suckered by world's best exponents of rope-a-dope style."

"For the most anticipated game of the World Cup to this point, that was without question the ugliest," he wrote.

"For a land of poets and musicians, it's ironic that Irish rugby teams don't give a toss about rhythm."

The Australian newspaper admits that Paul O'Connell's Irish scrum dominated, but says that wouldn't have happened if hooker Stephen Moore had been playing.

"The problem was that Moore's replacement, Tatafu Polota-Nau, had only played three games in three months because of injury and was in no shape to play the full 80 minutes."

Spiro Zavos, writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, cursed Ireland's 16th player -- not the passionate crowd but mother nature.

"Rain fell sporadically: it was an Irish rain in that it made the field slippery, which effectively nullified the twinkle-toed and speedy Wallabies backs."

But perhaps the sour grapes aren't overly surprising given that the Australian media had totally written off the Irish squad prior to the game.

Rugby legend Phil Kearns even laughed at the Irish fans as they launched a massive roar to welcome the team onto Eden Park. On Fox Sports Australia, he said: "Well they're not going to have much to cheer about tonight, so they may as well cheer them on in the warm-up."

Paul Cully, also from the SMH, predicted a minimum 13-point victory for the Wallabies.

hnews@herald.ie
 

minorbird

Tom Lawton (22)
Sounds a little desperate for recognition don't you think? Ireland won: why does it matter to the Irish how some hack journalists down-under make up the inches, or biased commentators explain away an unexpected result?
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Down Under pundits have attempted to belittle Ireland's historic win at the Rugby World Cup, accusing coach Declan Kidney of adopting a "rope-a-dope style".

Newspaper and TV reports in Australia have been far from gracious about our big win, saying Ireland played ugly rugby.

Andrew Slack from Sydney's Daily Telegraph definitely gets the gong for the worst loser with his piece entitled: "Wallabies suckered by world's best exponents of rope-a-dope style."

"For the most anticipated game of the World Cup to this point, that was without question the ugliest," he wrote.

"For a land of poets and musicians, it's ironic that Irish rugby teams don't give a toss about rhythm."

hnews@herald.ie [/I][/B]
Nothing new Boet, they use to say that about teams in green.
 

Swarley

Bob Loudon (25)
Irish journalists are clutching at straws.
- It was the ugliest game of the RWC (with the possible exception of ENG vs. ARG)
- Stephen Moore's absence was a big part of our scrum problem, not to mention our forwards problem.
- Conditions didn't suit the Wallabies, they suited the Irish, as Spiro correctly observed.

Really poor journalism from the Emerald Isle.
 

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
- Conditions didn't suit the Wallabies, they suited the Irish, as Spiro correctly observed.

Don't really get why this was a "reason". I could understand if this was the first time the Wallabies had ever played under a bit of rain, but it clearly isn't. They've even won in the rain and worse ground/weather conditions than that.
 

Larno

Ward Prentice (10)
Since last weeks match between Ireland and Australia there has been increasing talk in irish media about the Australian media response.
Essentially what is being said is that there is no attempt from Australia to recognise the Irish performance instead everything is focussed on
-How bad Australia were.
-How bad the ref was
-How Ireland "cheated" their way to victory
etc etc.
There is also an awful lot of discussion about Australian arrogance and condecension towards Ireland before ,during and after the game.

I include as an example a piece from one of yesterdays national papers.
This Australian whinging was also discussed on national radio on news item this morning.
It seems like you have not just lost the match last week ,but many friends in ireland by your media and ex players reaction .

See the article below for a small flavour of whats being said.....


AUSTRALIA might be world-renowned for its vineyards, but the grapes turned rapidly sour after their rugby loss to the boys in green.

While the two countries have always enjoyed a special relationship off the pitch, it seems the bitter taste of defeat has left Aussies a little less welcoming.

Down Under pundits have attempted to belittle Ireland's historic win at the Rugby World Cup, accusing coach Declan Kidney of adopting a "rope-a-dope style".

Newspaper and TV reports in Australia have been far from gracious about our big win, saying Ireland played ugly rugby.

Andrew Slack from Sydney's Daily Telegraph definitely gets the gong for the worst loser with his piece entitled: "Wallabies suckered by world's best exponents of rope-a-dope style."

"For the most anticipated game of the World Cup to this point, that was without question the ugliest," he wrote.

"For a land of poets and musicians, it's ironic that Irish rugby teams don't give a toss about rhythm."

The Australian newspaper admits that Paul O'Connell's Irish scrum dominated, but says that wouldn't have happened if hooker Stephen Moore had been playing.

"The problem was that Moore's replacement, Tatafu Polota-Nau, had only played three games in three months because of injury and was in no shape to play the full 80 minutes."

Spiro Zavos, writing in the Sydney Morning Herald, cursed Ireland's 16th player -- not the passionate crowd but mother nature.

"Rain fell sporadically: it was an Irish rain in that it made the field slippery, which effectively nullified the twinkle-toed and speedy Wallabies backs."

But perhaps the sour grapes aren't overly surprising given that the Australian media had totally written off the Irish squad prior to the game.

Rugby legend Phil Kearns even laughed at the Irish fans as they launched a massive roar to welcome the team onto Eden Park. On Fox Sports Australia, he said: "Well they're not going to have much to cheer about tonight, so they may as well cheer them on in the warm-up."

Paul Cully, also from the SMH, predicted a minimum 13-point victory for the Wallabies.

hnews@herald.ie

For all this bullshit about the Aussies being arrogant and poor losers, us Irish are certainly doing our best to be a bunch of poor winners.

GAGR forumites, please don't let cack like this and what's been said by a lot of Irish posters on the blog and forum colour your opnion of Irish rugby fans. The great majority of us aren't a bunch of deluded wankers.

P.S. Our rugby media sucks too, just like yours.
 

Logorrhea

Stan Wickham (3)
Pathetic OP. Discussion around the Australian match has pretty much died off. Most of us accept it was a great win, but it will only remain a great win if we follow through on it.

Time Horans latest headline got a few glances but thats about it. The Aussies have done exactly what the Irish, French or English would do if we lost to the likes of Italy. Focused on themselves, and their own shortcomings. Not many people over here expect any different. The Irish media are no different to the Australian. The Irish media do not represent Irish fans. The OP is full of shit.

To suggest that Irish people feel differently to Australians because of a few newspaper articles is daft. Quite similar to the headlines that caused it in the first place. Hugh Farrelly Is that you?
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
There is something that really bothers me about all this talk.

Australia is branded arragant for being upset with there performance. We as Australians are upset with our team and expected to win. Irish fans keep saying we shouldn't have expected to and treated them with disrespect by thinking so.

Yet, and here is my problem, why is a pool match with no bearing on either team going home between two teams that Irish fans believe to be close together described again and again and again as a "famous victory" if it isn't a massive upset?
 

ACT Crusader

Jim Lenehan (48)
Greenfire, try harder mate. Trolling on first post usually = fuck off time. Let's see how you go.

Best warning I've read for a while :)

And here I was thinking greenfire came here with innocent intentions, quoting a few selected clangers from OZ journos...
 

Bowside

Peter Johnson (47)
I honestly dont care what the Irish think of us. They beat us, congrats, but I can't wait till we play them again.
 

Patto.

Allen Oxlade (6)
So both sets of supporters think their respective media is rubbish (and I suspect Crowden is Irish heritage:eek:) so let the f'n media say what they like and us real Rugby fans get on with the good natured banter.
 

Hardtackle

Charlie Fox (21)
The Paddys are clamouring for the hard done by and disrespected cards ahead of their next game against us. I prey nightly that it's in the final. Optomistic.......... to be sure, to be sure.
 

light

Peter Fenwicke (45)
So who's left standing to play the Russians next week?
Assuming Fainga'a is ruled out with concussion, McCabe gone with the shoulder, Horne with the cheek problem, Palu with the hamstring.
All of a sudden our 30 man squad is not looking big enough.

McCabe will have to go home, probably to be replaced by Tapuai or Tom Carter
Palu possibly to go home, let's hope by Robinson or Hodgson
Fainga'a and Horne may get by. If not, Horne will go for Tapuai or Carter

We also need to rest players who have played every game for the finals, i.e AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Cooper, Genia, Elsom
The 22 for Russia.
1. Slipper
2. A. Fainga'a (TPN needs a rest, can't afford Moore to get injured)
3. Kepu (Alexander needs rest, Kepu needs to get combo with Slipper right before finals)
4. Sharpe (Our starting locks)
5. Horwill
6. Higgenbotham
7. ? (Hopefully we have Robinson or Hodgson)
8. Samo/McCalman (FUCK, maybe McCalman, don't need Samo getting injured)
9. Burgess
10. Cooper
11. Mitchell
12. Barnes
13. Ashley-Cooper
14. O'Connor
15. Beale (If he's not injured..)

16. TPN
17. Ma'afu
18. Simmons
19. Elsom
20. Pocock
21. Genia (hopefully won't be needed)
22. Do we have another back?
 
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Jumpers

Guest
This is very unfortunate to read negative comments in the Irish press and the fact that the Aussie media articles were in poor taste.

Surely the Aussie are much better than this! All credit to Ireland for their famous win over the Wannabes! Move on!
 
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