Wallabies 2025
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Derpus
Phil Waugh (73)
I am. Hes good for multiple unnecessary turnovers a game which has always been true but is no longer being offset elsewhere. His scrumming is still strong but not enough to offset the negatives at the moment i think.
griffins
Johnnie Wallace (23)
Agree the errors are problematic but I think he's still one of our best three and I would hope he's getting pretty stern messaging behind closed doors to cut the crap. How was he on Friday (I haven't watched the game yet)?
Adam84
John Eales (66)
AAA, Nonggorr, de Luttis, Robertson
Out of that list there's some good scrummaging and decent workloads around the park, with low error rates. For the Lions, I think it'll probably be AAA, Nonggorr and Tupou, although de Luttis could slip in there somewhere and Schmidt seemed to rate Robertson so he could sneak in also, although I'm not convinced his scrummaging is as good as the others.
Wilson
John Eales (66)
I thought Robertson would've been in the frame, but given he wasn't included in the pre-season wallabies camp and has now played 7 games in a row (so apparently isn't on the list of players requiring wallaby rest) I think he may be a bit further down the pecking order. His recent scrummaging performance definitely won't help his chances.
Adam84
John Eales (66)
Robertson was injured for the pre-season camp wasn't he? I think Morgan Turniui said the list of players for Wallabies rest protocols isn't a clearly defined list or set of rules, more a discussion on alignment, so I'm not sure if we should read too much into what that means for selection.
griffins
Johnnie Wallace (23)
While the rest of the pack have a bit to answer for (and Swain as tighthead lock was also part of some average Brumbies scums) Robertson getting absolutely pancaked with the Force this season rules him out in my books. Is Nongoor injured at the moment or third choice? I can see De Lutis being in the top three, despite his inexperience, but I can't see Tupou outside of it at the moment. As noted I would like to see improvements in his discipline at a minimum but he's going to have to do (thank goodness Alan A looks a lot more like his former self than last year post-achilles).
Wilson
John Eales (66)
I hadn't heard that one from Morgs, all the other reporting I'd seen was that it was a strict no more than 6 games in a row for all wallabies players slated to be rested. It has been clear as mud though, so I wouldn't be amazed if there was variation and edge cases. Not sure about injury for Robertson for that camp, I don't think they published an unavailable due to injury list on that one
Adam84
John Eales (66)
No Nonggor isn't injured, he has started half the matches and played off the bench in more.. Reds are rotating between Toomaga-Allen, Nonggorr and de Luttis for matchday. He will be back in 23 this week.
Wilson
John Eales (66)
I think Nonggorr being in and out is just steady rotation amongst a solid group of tight heads, and maybe an effort to get De Lutiiss good exposure in the early part of the season so he's ready for the Lions. I expect we'll see him drop back to play club more often now that that season is under way.
The Ghost of Raelene
Nick Farr-Jones (63)
I really like what Robertson does on the field but his lack of size just doesn't cut it against some of the real monsters at Test level. He performs remarkably well against bigger opponents but when it's a side like the Lions who have guys as skilled as you the size does come into play.
Good guy to have on the depth chart and it feels unfair but that sport.
Good guy to have on the depth chart and it feels unfair but that sport.
Strewthcobber
David Codey (61)
upthereds#!
Peter Johnson (47)
I tend to go with 33 as per WC but I'l stick with your 34
Remove Canham and Leota or Uru and replace with Skelton & Kerevi. Nowwww Kerevi is a maybe but centre depth is a weak point. I'd rather have Kerevi there considering if there is an injury the next centres are average. Whereas in the backrow there is massive depth and if there is an injury, someone decent can be there in a heartbeat.
I'd rather have Leota or Uru or Gleeson or Hooper or Decrispy on speed dial over Foketi or Feliuali
Not sure about the props - thinking Deluttis over Robertson, but his both sides is useful
stillmissit
Jim Lenehan (48)
Watching our Super Rugby teams a common theme appears to be the commentators stating 'guys are gassed' talk starting around 65mins.
We are not aerobically fit enough to play the game for 80 mins at this level. Our Super Rugby teams have lifted, but when the Brumbies let in a simple try with 1.5 mins to go at 12points ahead, they were lucky the Highlanders lost the ball in the last play. This lack of fitness for professional players when the replacements play ~20mins or less is unforgivable. We will do OK, but winning the Super Rugby comp with this level of fitness v NZ makes it very hard. Against the BIL, it will be punished.
Bottom line - Too much gym work, not enough running.
We are not aerobically fit enough to play the game for 80 mins at this level. Our Super Rugby teams have lifted, but when the Brumbies let in a simple try with 1.5 mins to go at 12points ahead, they were lucky the Highlanders lost the ball in the last play. This lack of fitness for professional players when the replacements play ~20mins or less is unforgivable. We will do OK, but winning the Super Rugby comp with this level of fitness v NZ makes it very hard. Against the BIL, it will be punished.
Bottom line - Too much gym work, not enough running.
Strewthcobber
David Codey (61)
The Brumbies try was because the defender who was supposed to be there, Debreczeni, couldn't walk/run and was just out of position.
Not a fitness thing, an injury issue
HogansHeros
Alex Ross (28)
A lot of rugby between now and BIL. If players are a bit underdone at the start of the season, and come into peak fitness for the internationals im all for it.
PhilClinton
Paul McLean (56)
I haven't really noticed the fitness issue this season, aside from the players you'd expect to be struggling.
In general, players are fitter across the board it seems. The game has gotten faster over the past few years with more emphasis on speeding up set piece or faster restarts in general.
The commentators actually made a point in the Reds v Force game of how much the ball was in play, which I imagine was a tactic from both teams early on to try and squeeze an error in the rain from the opposition.
In general, players are fitter across the board it seems. The game has gotten faster over the past few years with more emphasis on speeding up set piece or faster restarts in general.
The commentators actually made a point in the Reds v Force game of how much the ball was in play, which I imagine was a tactic from both teams early on to try and squeeze an error in the rain from the opposition.
stillmissit
Jim Lenehan (48)
SC, that doesn't excuse the woeful lack of fitness to cover the break,, 21 Thorn pulled a hammie (fitness) and no tackle and the cover inc Wrght was nowhere to be seen. The Highlanders were straight back into the Brumbies 22 and a knock on saved them. Larkham looked annoyed at the mess. They were lucky not to pull a loss from the jaws of a win.
We have seen 2 approaches to this lack of fitness, we used to play soft and then play like demons in the last 15 mins after the game is lost, and now we play well enough for 65-70 mins and are not fit enough to close the game out.
I do not accept your not a fitness issue.
Strewthcobber
David Codey (61)
Tom Wright is covering the open side wing. Deb's role there is drop and cover the blind wing when Toole is drawn forward by the blindside play.
You can see him trying to get into position here. He's the Brumby closest to the ball
From here though, he basically stops running because he's injured after a kick around 70min and gets nowhere near where he should be.
2:18:56 on the Stan coverage.