sterlingmortlocksgloves
Herbert Moran (7)
Let’s talk about the fact that in 2022 we were 5 points better than wales and in less than 12 months we are now 34 points worse.
Wallabies 2023
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Michael Lynagh (62)
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
That was the worst performance by a Wallaby side in my lifetime and I have been an avid fan for 50 years. Jones has done more damage to rugby in Australia in a few short months than league and AFL have in decades.
I don’t know what the answer is but this must be rock bottom and it can only get better next year. I feel for Michael Hooper who was robbed of his last World Cup and swan song.
As said a few weeks ago, the senior players in this squad look lost and confused. They are good players but just do not follow or understand the script. There are a few that should not be there and others that should. Every World Cup has been won on experience.
We are not currently world beaters but last year we pushed France and Ireland and beat the Boks. Look at us now. Portugal will fancy their chances.
Sad times
I don’t know what the answer is but this must be rock bottom and it can only get better next year. I feel for Michael Hooper who was robbed of his last World Cup and swan song.
As said a few weeks ago, the senior players in this squad look lost and confused. They are good players but just do not follow or understand the script. There are a few that should not be there and others that should. Every World Cup has been won on experience.
We are not currently world beaters but last year we pushed France and Ireland and beat the Boks. Look at us now. Portugal will fancy their chances.
Sad times
For all of those "Dave Rennie also sucked" so what is the difference people out there.
- In 2022 the Wallabies scored 327 Points and had 388 Points Against.
- In 2023 the Wallabies have scored 108 Points and 241 Points Against.
That's an absolutely massive difference. That's the difference between being Scotland/Argentina/Wales and being Samoa or Tonga.
Even assuming you deliberately shit the bed to bleed in younger players, I think it's tough to argue that your young players taking beating after beating is going to do them any favours in the long run.
I've said it before, but Dave Rennie was making the most out of what he had. Yes, Australia aren't the greatest collection of players in the world these days, which is why he had a 38% win rate. But they were dangerous and highly competitive, capable of beating any team in the world. Getting a 38% win rate against the Boks/NZ/Ireland/France and others is about where their talent lined up.
The loss against Italy was a sign of how degraded the player base was since Rennie couldn't rest some key players and still coax a win out of his side. And I'll never understood the logic that Rennie had to go for bleeding young players in a nothing game against Italy(McReight, Gleeson etc.) so the response is to pick a coach that will bleed young players in the most meaningful games possible while losing all of them. Clearly Dave Rennie isn't a complete idiot and was trying to accomplish both things at the same time, to the best of his ability. And post-Italy they beat Wales with a bruised and battered lineup.
As a Canadian on a similar downward trajectory we pulled the same idiocy when we canned Kieran Crowley for delivering "historic losses." Now he's looking fantastic with Italy and we have a worse HC and continue our slide into irrelevancy.
Note: I removed Georgia because they are a T2 team, not that it would make a big difference.
- In 2022 the Wallabies scored 327 Points and had 388 Points Against.
- In 2023 the Wallabies have scored 108 Points and 241 Points Against.
That's an absolutely massive difference. That's the difference between being Scotland/Argentina/Wales and being Samoa or Tonga.
Even assuming you deliberately shit the bed to bleed in younger players, I think it's tough to argue that your young players taking beating after beating is going to do them any favours in the long run.
I've said it before, but Dave Rennie was making the most out of what he had. Yes, Australia aren't the greatest collection of players in the world these days, which is why he had a 38% win rate. But they were dangerous and highly competitive, capable of beating any team in the world. Getting a 38% win rate against the Boks/NZ/Ireland/France and others is about where their talent lined up.
The loss against Italy was a sign of how degraded the player base was since Rennie couldn't rest some key players and still coax a win out of his side. And I'll never understood the logic that Rennie had to go for bleeding young players in a nothing game against Italy(McReight, Gleeson etc.) so the response is to pick a coach that will bleed young players in the most meaningful games possible while losing all of them. Clearly Dave Rennie isn't a complete idiot and was trying to accomplish both things at the same time, to the best of his ability. And post-Italy they beat Wales with a bruised and battered lineup.
As a Canadian on a similar downward trajectory we pulled the same idiocy when we canned Kieran Crowley for delivering "historic losses." Now he's looking fantastic with Italy and we have a worse HC and continue our slide into irrelevancy.
Note: I removed Georgia because they are a T2 team, not that it would make a big difference.
rugbyAU
Bob Davidson (42)
No don't bother, don't waste 2 hrs
Penriff_boy
Billy Sheehan (19)
You're a very lucky person.
MoneyBill685
Ted Fahey (11)
Probably a good idea not to come onto a wallabies rugby forum if you dont want the result.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
Thorn proved at the Reds what a terrible head coach he is. Although I do think he would make a decent assistant coach - a solid forwards coach.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
If you like watching car crashes.
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
Some players are going to struggle to come back from this.
I think Arnold might of played his last test
Tate will be around the squad, but he isn’t remotely close to the answer. Fundamentals are subpar for a 9, there is school boys with better passing and kicking skills it’s embarrassing. Lonergan clearly the best of the younger bunch. Tate has so much talent but how does one get to this level with the basics so below par?
Kerevi I thought has been solid but nothing spectacular, wouldn’t surprise me to see him moved on because of his age.
Leota will just remain a wider squad guy, not good enough to be a starter.
Pone, I don’t want to be overly critical because he’s essentially only there as last man standing. Won’t come into talks unless injuries happen.
Slipper I think is done
Petaia at 13 won’t happen, could see him given the 14 jersey and see Koroibete moved on.
Porecki will be lucky to play another test beyond the World Cup.
I think Arnold might of played his last test
Tate will be around the squad, but he isn’t remotely close to the answer. Fundamentals are subpar for a 9, there is school boys with better passing and kicking skills it’s embarrassing. Lonergan clearly the best of the younger bunch. Tate has so much talent but how does one get to this level with the basics so below par?
Kerevi I thought has been solid but nothing spectacular, wouldn’t surprise me to see him moved on because of his age.
Leota will just remain a wider squad guy, not good enough to be a starter.
Pone, I don’t want to be overly critical because he’s essentially only there as last man standing. Won’t come into talks unless injuries happen.
Slipper I think is done
Petaia at 13 won’t happen, could see him given the 14 jersey and see Koroibete moved on.
Porecki will be lucky to play another test beyond the World Cup.
PhilClinton
Mark Loane (55)
The RWC playing group have either drunk the Kool-Aid or are just playing nice.
Andrew Kellaway's responses after the game about why Eddie is 'the man for the job' come off as someone who genunitely believes it. His comments about Eddie always being the first to take blame though I find laughable.
Eddie tried to bamboozle us all before the RWC and spoke about 'smash and grabs' picking a 'young team who can do the job' and all that rubbish. If he couldn't see the writing on the wall that this playing group had zero chance of winning the whole thing (he probably didn't predict they'd be this bad or would lose our two best players in the pool stage) then he's dumber than 99% of the Australian rugby population.
Andrew Kellaway's responses after the game about why Eddie is 'the man for the job' come off as someone who genunitely believes it. His comments about Eddie always being the first to take blame though I find laughable.
Eddie tried to bamboozle us all before the RWC and spoke about 'smash and grabs' picking a 'young team who can do the job' and all that rubbish. If he couldn't see the writing on the wall that this playing group had zero chance of winning the whole thing (he probably didn't predict they'd be this bad or would lose our two best players in the pool stage) then he's dumber than 99% of the Australian rugby population.
rugbyAU
Bob Davidson (42)
Is that even a question
SouthernX
John Thornett (49)
No he didn’t.
He was a good coach who was hamstrung by a front office who refused to negotiate with the premier player agent in Australia and just continually bled the talent he developed
SouthernX
John Thornett (49)
I know it’s an untenable situation but if the players believe in him… I’d consider keeping him.
The pay packet for paying a fired coach the next 4 years would be detrimental to the grass roots
Wallaby Man
Nev Cottrell (35)
I think Thorn could be a great wallabies forwards coach, but he wouldn’t work with Eddie.