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Phil Kearns (64)
If your takeaway from watching North vs South was they will put 50 on us I’m afraid you didn’t watch it closely enough. My takeaway was we can put 50 on them.
How?
If your takeaway from watching North vs South was they will put 50 on us I’m afraid you didn’t watch it closely enough. My takeaway was we can put 50 on them.
These guys were all Australian Schoolboys/under 20s stars.
They've stood out the whole way through. Unfortunately I don't think any of them have the raw talent to really shine.
I think Clark would have been much better but he gave the best years of his development to being a very good 7s player.
Did they stand out though?
I don't remember that.
For example; I remember Horne coming through, Sautia, Maddocks, Magnay, Kellaway, Placid etc.
I don't remember Newsome, Clark, etc. I watched Walton at schools level too against NZ.
They stood out to the extent that they were considered among the best players of their age group. Obviously that doesn't mean they're destined to be superstars. Half the guys who make our under 20s squad each year won't end up with much of a professional rugby career.
Clark played Australian Schoolboys in 2011 then signed with the 7s squad.
Newsome played one game of under 20s in 2015. I'm unsure if he made the final World Championship squad.
They weren't as heralded at those levels as some of those others above but in some ways have had better professional careers than several of them to this point.
Did Magnay stand out at that level because he got red carded in our first game of the World Championship and stuffed our tournament?
Is it surprising that someone like Rob Horne was more memorable as a schoolboys and under 20s star? He went on to play 30 odd tests for the Wallabies and go to 2 World Cups.
I guess my question is this.
Are people in NSW valuing solid citizen people/players more highly in the ID verification process than out and out dynamic players? Is it safer to pick well-rounded, yet hard to define players - rather than shoot for an out and out winger or fullback for example?
I am not sure.
But NSW is big state, and I don't believe these are the best homegrown rugby backs that have come through in that time.
How?
But NSW is big state, and I don't believe these are the best homegrown rugby backs that have come through in that time.
Unfortunately Jim Stewart had to retire after a serious injury only a few games into his pro career. Serious neck injury from memory.Did they stand out though?
I don't remember that.
For example; I remember Horne coming through, Sautia, Maddocks, Magnay, Kellaway, Placid etc.
I don't remember Newsome, Clark, etc. I watched Walton at schools level too against NZ.\
What ever happened to Jim Stewart?
Not sure what the situation is for you guys up north but our most dynamic schoolboy backs often go to or are already signed with League. For instance, this year and next we'll lose Joseph Sua'ali'i, Tolu Koola, and Villiami Penisini. Those three are definitely not Alex Newsome style backs. Not sure there is much we can do about it unfortunately.But NSW is big state, and I don't believe these are the best homegrown rugby backs that have come through in that time.
How?
Not sure what the situation is for you guys up north but our most dynamic schoolboy backs often go to or are already signed with League. For instance, this year and next we'll lose Joseph Sua'ali'i, Tolu Koola, and Villiami Penisini. Those three are definitely not Alex Newsome style backs. Not sure there is much we can do about it unfortunately.
Edit: Wam beat me to it.
I think these guys were dynamic at that age relative to their counterparts.
If they're being picked as the best from NSW then also making national selection wouldn't that suggest that their selection for NSW was justified?
Is anyone else doing anything particularly different? Your assertion would suggest that Queensland for example are picking a different profile of player in those age groups that become better professionals or have higher ceilings. I'm not really sure that's supported by the outcomes.
An interesting exercise would be to compare the NSW Schoolboys team to the Qld Schoolboys team and look at how many are still playing rugby 1, 2 and 3 years later.
Looking through the last decade of Australian Schoolboys, the NRL players I recognise are:
Luke Keary (NSW)
Tepai Moeroa (NSW)
Angus Crichton (NSW) - named but then injured before playing
Adam Doueihi (NSW)
Albert Hopoate (NSW)
Luca Moretti (NSW)
I am not a big NRL fan so could be missing some but definitely a trend that NSW is losing more top schoolboys players to the NRL.
What is the situation in Queensland? Do many of the Queensland NRL players go to rugby schools as teenagers? Certainly in Sydney there aren't really private schools that would be described as rugby league schools in any way outside of the Catholic system.
If your takeaway from watching North vs South was they will put 50 on us I’m afraid you didn’t watch it closely enough. My takeaway was we can put 50 on them.
I think it is.
Where the above blokes from NSW always expected to play league?
Moretti is a gun.
Epitomised by the first play of the game when Caleb Clarke went 50m. Sure he beat a few guys when he got in space but it only happened after South completely garbled the kick chase.Agree, whilst some of the attack was good, the North v South teams both had the defensive cohesiveness of a Barbarians team whose training involved getting to know each other over a few beers at the pub.
Crichton certainly has a rugby pedigree - dad went to Scots, played Aus schools in ‘87, mum was a Frensham girl and her brother also went to Scots - but he grew up playing league, because the Young Yabbies don’t have juniors. Maybe that’s where he got the taste for it.Pretty much they all were leaguies right through. Crichton is a notable case that was lost to rugby and perhaps there was a chance to sign Moretti although I'm not sure.
after watching the ABs North vs South, we are in for some challenging matches, they could put 50 on us easy