WA Premier Grade 2024
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
There have been more teams (eg ARKs, Curtin, Rockingham, Mandurah) who struggled to field teams as required.
Need to grow the game so can move into larger Div 1 and Div 2 with promotion/relegation between the two - and avoid byes.
The broader WF squad could then play in Div 1 as Div 2, at the moment, just aren't good enough. (But not a popular viewpoint in the West).
Last years ladder says a lot when you look at the gap between 6 & 7.
Points (55 v 40) and points difference (+188 v -250).
It's not going to be popular as Nedlands was last year's No 7.
Need to grow the game so can move into larger Div 1 and Div 2 with promotion/relegation between the two - and avoid byes.
The broader WF squad could then play in Div 1 as Div 2, at the moment, just aren't good enough. (But not a popular viewpoint in the West).
Last years ladder says a lot when you look at the gap between 6 & 7.
Points (55 v 40) and points difference (+188 v -250).
It's not going to be popular as Nedlands was last year's No 7.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Have been a bit pre-occupied so far this season, so here's some catch-ups.
Western Force player allocation.
RugbyWA Senior Men's competitions
Western Force player allocation.
RugbyWA Senior Men's competitions
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Rendezvous Scarborough Challenge Cup Final
Kalamunda 31:15 Associates - played pre-match to WF v Brumbies Super Rugby game at HBF.
Game starts at 3:00 PM WST.
Note: Competition bye on Sat, 1 June 2024 - Long week-end in WA.
Round 7 - 8 June 2024
UWA 25:20 Palmyra
Southern Lions 17:37 Cottesloe
Nedlands 36:17 Kalamunda
Joondalup 21:13 Wests Scarborough
Perth Bayswater 20:22 Wanneroo [STAN}
Associates (6) - Bye
Kalamunda 31:15 Associates - played pre-match to WF v Brumbies Super Rugby game at HBF.
Game starts at 3:00 PM WST.
Note: Competition bye on Sat, 1 June 2024 - Long week-end in WA.
Round 7 - 8 June 2024
UWA 25:20 Palmyra
Southern Lions 17:37 Cottesloe
Nedlands 36:17 Kalamunda
Joondalup 21:13 Wests Scarborough
Perth Bayswater 20:22 Wanneroo [STAN}
Associates (6) - Bye
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Round 13 - 20 July 2024
Palmyra 27:26 Perth Bayswater
Cottesloe 27:36 Associates
Nedlands 66:14 Wests Scarborough [STAN]
UWA 34:24 Southern Lions
Joondalup 32:27 Wanneroo
Kalamunda (9) - Bye
After 13 Rounds,Palmyra appears locked in but there is still plenty of competition for the 2nd spot in ConfA.
Top two spots in ConfA go straight to a semi-final.
Top 2 spots in ConfB look settled.
3 more rounds to go before Finals.
Palmyra 27:26 Perth Bayswater
Cottesloe 27:36 Associates
Nedlands 66:14 Wests Scarborough [STAN]
UWA 34:24 Southern Lions
Joondalup 32:27 Wanneroo
Kalamunda (9) - Bye
After 13 Rounds,Palmyra appears locked in but there is still plenty of competition for the 2nd spot in ConfA.
Top two spots in ConfA go straight to a semi-final.
Top 2 spots in ConfB look settled.
3 more rounds to go before Finals.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Round 14 - 27 July 2024 - Kick-off 3:30 PM WST
Nedlands 23:23 Palmyra
Perth Bayswater 25:31 Cottesloe
Wests Scarborough 17:39 Associates
Wanneroo 21:28 UWA [STAN]
Kalamunda 33:30 Joondalup
Southern Lions (8) - Bye
2 rounds remaining before finals.
Still strong competition in ConfA for that 2nd place position
(which means straight to a Semi).
Still competition in ConfB for the 2nd place position.
A3 and A4 will play against B1 and B2.
Nedlands 23:23 Palmyra
Perth Bayswater 25:31 Cottesloe
Wests Scarborough 17:39 Associates
Wanneroo 21:28 UWA [STAN]
Kalamunda 33:30 Joondalup
Southern Lions (8) - Bye
2 rounds remaining before finals.
Still strong competition in ConfA for that 2nd place position
(which means straight to a Semi).
Still competition in ConfB for the 2nd place position.
A3 and A4 will play against B1 and B2.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
Round 15 - 3 Aug 2024
Palmyra 74:5 Wests Scarborough [STAN]
Cottesloe 39:32 Nedlands
Associates 54:12 Perth Bayswater
UWA 36:41 Joondalup
Southern Lions 27:42 Kalamunda
Wanneroo - Bye
Palmyra locked into 1st Semi
Team for 2nd Semi still 1 of 3.
Perth Bayswater and Wests Scarborough miss out on finals.
UWA locked into QF2
2nd team for QF2 still 1 of 3.
Wannero certain to miss out on finals.
All teams except top 4 teams on ConfA have negative points difference.
Palmyra 74:5 Wests Scarborough [STAN]
Cottesloe 39:32 Nedlands
Associates 54:12 Perth Bayswater
UWA 36:41 Joondalup
Southern Lions 27:42 Kalamunda
Wanneroo - Bye
Palmyra locked into 1st Semi
Team for 2nd Semi still 1 of 3.
Perth Bayswater and Wests Scarborough miss out on finals.
UWA locked into QF2
2nd team for QF2 still 1 of 3.
Wannero certain to miss out on finals.
All teams except top 4 teams on ConfA have negative points difference.
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Cyril Towers (30)
If only the finals were that simple.
B1 and B2 play each other and the winner plays the semi against A1
A3 plays A4 with the winner to play A2 in the Semi.
And if you though that was complicated Here it is with the promotion and relegation highlighted.
Reserves and Thrids are even worse. Conference A and Conference B follow Prems. However only the top three from each pool go through. In both grades, Conference B has the bottom two teams from before the split, with 3/5 going through from that conference and only 3/6 from conference A
B1 and B2 play each other and the winner plays the semi against A1
A3 plays A4 with the winner to play A2 in the Semi.
And if you though that was complicated Here it is with the promotion and relegation highlighted.
Reserves and Thrids are even worse. Conference A and Conference B follow Prems. However only the top three from each pool go through. In both grades, Conference B has the bottom two teams from before the split, with 3/5 going through from that conference and only 3/6 from conference A
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Mr Pilfer
Alex Ross (28)
Yep absolute shambles and they obviously didn’t model likely outcomes
Look at 3rd grade for example, a team is going to finish 4th in division A with way more points than the team finishing 3rd in division B and not play finals, plus they have had to play against stronger teams. No fairness there
Look at 3rd grade for example, a team is going to finish 4th in division A with way more points than the team finishing 3rd in division B and not play finals, plus they have had to play against stronger teams. No fairness there
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John Eales (66)
I don't understand anything about this conference system. My team (Uni) should be in conference A, surely.
ForceFan
Peter Fenwicke (45)
G'day TBH, I may not be 100% correct but it appears that for some time RugbyWA has been encouraging UWA to show some level of commitment to having Junior/under-age teams in order to grow the game in Perth. I understand that currently there are large differences in the number of junior players in each of the 11 x Premier Grade clubs. There also appears to be ongoing concerns about too many teams in the Premier Grade competition. 11 is probably too many cosidering the total number of players in Perth. The current "system" seems to be the result of trying to address this matter. As the ladder shows there are large discrepancies in the quality of the game being played across the 11 teams - with some large point differentials getting close to the end of the season. Even Brisbane has only 9 teams in the Premiership grade. Shute Shield has 12 but many more players. Over a number of seasons there may be a move towards 2 Divisions in Perth with fewer teams in Premier Grade but a clear opportunity for relegation/promotion between the two.
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