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Inside Shoulder said:
And you get the sense from the commentary that the demands of the game have an appeal to the american psyche.
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This is key!

Rugby is such natural fit with the culture of sports in America. If it can be adopted and viewed as a game worth playing, which hopefully the Olympics will do. The epitome of watch this space.
 
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Geoff Shaw (53)
tranquility said:
This is key!

Rugby is such natural fit with the culture of sports in America. If it can be adopted and viewed as a game worth playing, which hopefully the Olympics will do. The epitome of watch this space.
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It's only a matter of time before 7s is a big deal in the US. Afterall, it's a great spectacle and if the US can find the fanbase to have a professional Arena Football league, why not 7s?

Will 15s take off? I don't know if we'll see them finding the money, playerbase, and fanbase they need to be world top 4 in the next couple of decades. I think we're going to see a few nations go down Kenya's specialist 7s route in the near future and the US may be one of them.
 
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Michael Lynagh (62)
en_force_er said:
It's only a matter of time before 7s is a big deal in the US. Afterall, it's a great spectacle and if the US can find the fanbase to have a professional Arena Football league, why not 7s?

Will 15s take off? I don't know if we'll see them finding the money, playerbase, and fanbase they need to be world top 4 in the next couple of decades. I think we're going to see a few nations go down Kenya's specialist 7s route in the near future and the US may be one of them.
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I don't think so. The push toward professional rugby tends to be more down the 15s path in the US than the 7s. There are a couple of groups attempting to push Pro 7s but after the better part of 7 years and a lot of propaganda, neither have got anything up past the conceptual phase. On the other hand, the 15s movement has had people willing to put money behind them but due to geography and in one group the withdrawal of one investor due to financial stresses they haven't quite got there yet. The general feeling is, however, that one of these groups is going to succeed and relatively soon at that.

They have two distinct seasons in USA Rugby. Actually no, make that three. Fall, Spring and 7s. This won't change much in the long term. What's most encouraging is the growth of the Test scene of late. Whenever USAR has invested in strong marketiing campaigns they have been returning very good attendances and growing TV viewership. They are also seeing 15s appear more and more on US TV networks in the form of NBC Sports (Vegas and CRC), ESPNU (Varsity Cup) and the recent test match (Fox Sports).
 
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Michael Lynagh (62)
en_force_er said:
It's only a matter of time before 7s is a big deal in the US. Afterall, it's a great spectacle and if the US can find the fanbase to have a professional Arena Football league, why not 7s?

Will 15s take off? I don't know if we'll see them finding the money, playerbase, and fanbase they need to be world top 4 in the next couple of decades. I think we're going to see a few nations go down Kenya's specialist 7s route in the near future and the US may be one of them.
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Arena sporting leagues are tough businesses to invest in. The best known one in the AFL has actually defaulted on a couple of occassions and has seen teams come and go regularly in it 20 something years in existence. Many smaller imitated have both come and gone in quick succession.

There are a group trying for this. World Arena Rugby, but there plan to run an event this year collapsed and the mooted Pro League set for 2014 seems less and less likely as time goes by.
 
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Peter Burge (5)
Canada and the US are getting Scotland next year, before Scotland make their way down to a game against the Argies I just read, hopefully they send over their best like Richie Gray, Laidlaw etc.

I think the IRB should start looking at having some sort of rotating schedule with North America. You could have teams like Scotland and Italy head over every so often which they have in recent years, considering they tend to be ovelooked by the SANZAR teams and generally whoever doesn't get invited (out of Wales/Fra/Eng/Ire) to tour those countries gets Argentina.

Also I reckon they should be sending over rep teams, like they did with the Maori All blacks this year. This would generate a unique perception of the game for Americans which could add interest. Even if they sent over the Baa Baa's made up of players that don't get much international experience being from very minnow nations (e.g. Stan Wright of the Cook Islands, Erik Lund of Norway or Robins Tchale-Watchou of Cameroon) and just throw in an iconic old timer like O'Driscoll/Wilkinson or Carter (maybe in a few years) to get publicity/increased interest.

These teams would all be professional and be more than a challenge for the North Americans
 
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Paul McLean (56)
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I think the Wallabies should play Canada or USA every second year on their way to Europe. It would be good for their development and for the Wallabies to hit the ground running in Europe.

Also it could attract some corporate $$$. Quite a few AB's in the USA currently doing some work for AIG.
 
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Peter Burge (5)
Jets said:
I think the Wallabies should play Canada or USA every second year on their way to Europe. It would be good for their development and for the Wallabies to hit the ground running in Europe.

Also it could attract some corporate $$$. Quite a few AB's in the USA currently doing some work for AIG.
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Im not sure about sending over fully fledged tier 1 nations, all I could see happening are the Eagles getting thrashed. There's been talk about the AB's going over next year and to put this in perspective the USA lost to Japan this year by a fair bit and the 2nd string AB's thrashed Japan as we all know, which wasn't embarrassing at all for the Blossoms and they also couldnt match the Maori's whose team is half made up of fringe super 15/ ITM cup players
 
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John Thornett (49)
I can't speak much to the backs as I haven't been watching them all that closely recently but the current USA forward pack (with club players from overseas) would be a good test for a dirt-trackers Wallaby pack. It would definitely be a good way to secure game time for the fringe guys who may not even have kitted up during the tour while maybe even counteracting the jet lag of a straight shot to Europe somewhat.
 
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John Thornett (49)
Cam Dolan just signed with the Northampton Saints....seems we weren't the only ones who were impressed by his recent performances.
 
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Chris McKivat (8)
According to a report out of New Zealand the All Blacks are close to securing an agreement to play the Eagles next November. The match will either be held in Chicago or Washington, not New York as had been the plan according to earlier reports. Apparently Chicago and Washington offered the best venues that were available. More importantly the All Blacks will be playing the Eagles and not a World XV.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11172745



They are discussing a 60-90K seat stadium. Would be amazing if they fill it, but I am not sure that demand exists to see a 70 point drubbing, even if people just want to watch the All Blacks. 30-40K seats might be ideal.
 
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Peter Burge (5)
Surprised know one's posted this yet, Carlin Isles has signed with Glasgow Warriors,

http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/rugby-union/26370125

How does everyone think he'll go in 15's? He might be fast but hes tiny, I can see opposition wingers licking their lips at the prospect of taking him on in attack, maybe not so much trying to contain him
 
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
He's going to get embarrassed. Cannot believe someone wasted their time & money on him. He barely passes the mark in 7s. Has speed and nothing else. The forum knows my opinion on Rod Davies and on a scale of 1 to Rod Davies he'd be a 1.
 
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Peter Burge (5)
qwerty51 said:
He's going to get embarrassed. Cannot believe someone wasted their time on him. He barely passes the mark in 7s. Has speed and nothing else. The forum knows my opinion on Rod Davies and on a scale of 1 to Rod Davies he'd be a 1.
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HAHAHAHA, the Rod Davies scale, that should be the standard measuring scale for shit wingers
 
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Steve Williams (59)
He'll be on minimum cash, behind, at minimum, van der merwe, Maitland, Seymour, Lamont, Matawalu, the boy we signed from Edinburgh, and any of the other boys who usually play in the centers.

He'll have a torrid time of it, playing on wet, windy and cold Scottish club grounds.

Which, is almost a positive in itself, that he chose to do that.

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