Under-20 Competitions including Oceania & World U20s

[SOLE334]

^^^^
JJ, you have a huge block on your shoulder wearing you down mate . . .you might need Thor's hammer to knock it off.
A FACT of footy : Just because you were a star of the U/18's doesnt mean you are entitled to higher honours.
Just to give you an example. . .again . . .

1. Will Eadie a star for Aust schoolboys. Currently playing 1st grade for Qld Uni didnt get picked, defense perhaps. . .but would be an awesome 7's player imo.
2. Leni Ikitau Dint make schoolboys but started and starred for Vikings in NRC finals last year against Qld country.
3. Patrick Tafa didnt make schoolboys 2016 but started a few games for the National champions Qld U/20's last year. .really challenging ASY (Angus Scott-Young)(current REDS player) for the #8 spot.

Time to put your schoolboy hat in the bygone draw and perhaps pick up or go and buy a National Jnr Wallabies hat. These boys are not playing politics but appreciating the honour .so stop whinging and talk about how we are going to win the and gain some much needed experience before JWC

 

[Gary Owen III]

NSW I:

David Tifa (Ashcroft HS; CHS), Southern Districts 2017 - not sure 2018?
Jack Ongosia (St Augustine’s; ISA), year off 2017 - not sure 2018?
Opeti Helu (Newington; GPS), Mormon 2 year break
Nick Brown (Kings; GPS), Gordon 1st Grade
Nicholas Frost (Knox; CAS), Crusaders NZ
Josh Kemeny (Cranbrook; CAS), - in squad
Dylan Pietsch (Kings; GPS), - Aussie 7s squad / Randwick 2nd Grade
Michael Fenn (Riverview; GPS), Manly RL
Will Haskins (Shore; GPS) , Manly 1sts Colts
Adam Doueihi (St Patrick’s; ISA), Souths RL
Jackson Mohi (Waverley; CAS) - 1sts Colts Randwick
Nick Wilkinson (Joeys; GPS), - Randwick 2nd grade
Will Terry (Riverview; GPS) , Syd Uni 1sts Colts
Yirribi Jaffer-Williams (Joeys; GPS) , Randwick 2nd grade (now year off?)
Ryan Longville (Trinity; CAS). Southern Districts 1st colts

Reserves: Charlie Jaevons-Fellows (Scots; GPS), Norths 1st colts Connor Grindal (Knox; CAS), Syd Uni 2017 - not sure 2018?Cameron Prince (St Augustine’s; ISA), Randwick 2nd colts Hugh Margin (Knox; CAS) - in 23, N.Lawson (GPS), Southern Districts 1st colts Terry Fanolua (Westfields SHS; CHS), Parramatta 1st colts Tyrone Taukamo (Newington; GPS), Souths RL Luke Osborne (Kings; GPS). Eastwood 3rd Grade / 1st colts

NSW II:

Darcy Breen (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni
Jacob Bristowe (Westfields SHS; CHS), Parra 1st colts 2017 - Eastwood 1st Colts 2018
Dan Matthew (Kariong Mt HS; CHS), - 1sts Colts Randwick
Liam Rasch (Trinity; CAS), ACT Brumbies
Rory Suttor (Shore; GPS), Syd Uni 1st colts
Charles Rorke (Riverview; GPS), Canberra RL
Mila Hingano (St Augustine’s; ISA), Syd Uni colts 2017 - Eastwood 1st colts 2018
Ben Gleeson (NBSC Cromer; CHS), ??
Tyzak Jordan (Waverley; CAS), - Randwick colts (injured)
Kieren Hayman (Hills SHS; CHS), Bulldogs RL
Jack Veitch (St Stanislaus; ISA), Manly 1st colts
Jordan Morris (Trinity; CAS), Southern Districts 2nd Grade
James Armstrong (Knox; CAS), Syd Uni 2nd grade / Aust 7s
Luke Rixon (Shore; GPS), 2017 Cooma RL - 2018 Murrimbullah RL
Matthew McTaggart (Joeys; GPS). - in starting XV

Reserves: Jack Upton (Knox; CAS), 1sts Colts Randwick T.Osborne GPS - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni, Frank Cutler (Riverview; GPS), 1sts Colts Gordon Tom Silk (Riverview; GPS), 1sts Colts Gordon Willy Manu (St Augustine’s; ISA), ?? Kyle Brown (Kings; GPS), 2017 1sts Colts Gordon - 2018 overseas William Harrison (Marcellin College; CCC) - 1sts Colts Randwick, Oliver Smeallie (Riverview; GPS).1sts Colts Gordon

Shadow Squad:

Tim Anstey (Barker; CAS), 1sts Colts Warringah Matt Coghill (Barker; CAS), 2nd Colts Gordon Bo Abra (St Augustine’s; ISA), 1sts Colts Easts Sam Ridley (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni Max Douglas (St Augustine’s; ISA) , 1sts Colts Manly Edward Fry (NBSC Freshwater; CHS), 1sts Colts Warringah Ben O’Sullivan (Waverley; CAS),3rd Colts Randwick Milan Basson (Knox; CAS),2nd Colts Sydney Uni Dimitry Chipizubov (Oakhill; ISA), 3rd Colts Randwick Bayley Kuenzle (Newington; GPS) - in squad, Byron Hollingsworth-Dessent (Trinity; CAS), ?? Matthew Orpen (Kings; GPS), 2nd Colts Randwick Charles Shepherd (Asquith HS; CHS), 1sts Colts Eastwood Lachie Day (St Joseph’s; GPS), 1sts Colts Randwick Bailey McAndrew (St Augustine’s; ISA) ??

there you go Honey Badger... and Weet-Bix

 

[The Honey Badger]

Pretty impressive, 2 years later nearly all those boys are still playing and playing at a high level.

Cheers GOIII, great work



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[The Honey Badger]

New Zealand scoring at a point a minute vs Tonga.

47-Nil after 45 mins

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[The Honey Badger]

https://www.rugby.com.au/News/2018/04/26/Junior-Wallabies-team-to-face-Fiji

Loneragan out. McDermot in.

Not sure who is captain

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[The Honey Badger]

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/04/27/live-2018oceaniau20s-day1

Live streaming link for anyone that is interested

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[HJ Nelson]

Final scores:

NZ 97 def. Tonga 0

Aus 51 def. Fiji 5

Photos from both matches here:

https://www.tremainfocused.com/blog/oceania-u20s-round-1

 

[TSR]

Go Qld

 

[Inside Shoulder]

https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2018/04/27/live-2018oceaniau20s-day1

Live streaming link for anyone that is interested

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Was your image jittery? Or was that my nbn?

 

[SOLE334]

Jnr AB's look ominous with every raid throughout their opening game, resulting in the merciless slaughtering of Tonga. I thought the Jnr Wallabies started off extremely well and set the platform for another huge score against Fiji. Apart from the fact some of the boys didnt get down til Wednesday(eg. T McDermott,), I think its a good start, and it looks great with set pieces esp the lineout options.Nice to have some tall timber winning lineouts at will. We could do with less aimless kicking from #10 when their were better options to run the ball. Well done lads !! great start.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Was your image jittery? Or was that my nbn?

Yep, jittery. Wasn't great.

Only watched the fist half and a bit.

Thought they went OK.

Fiji struggled at set piece.



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[Inside Shoulder]

Yep, jittery. Wasn't great.

Only watched the fist half and a bit.

Thought they went OK.

Fiji struggled at set piece.



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Only went to it for last 5 minutes: the aimless kick which went out on the full to end the game seemed to reflect someone’s comment about the game generally.

 

[The Honey Badger]

Only went to it for last 5 minutes: the aimless kick which went out on the full to end the game seemed to reflect someone’s comment about the game generally.

I thought Lucas was pretty good.

There were quite a few kicks in behind, and that must have been a tactic to keep someone out of the defensive line.

13 was a standout. Ramm and McTaggart also good.

One of the locks Hosea I think? Also very involved.

Aus set piece, very good.

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[pundit]

In my opinion #10 Lawson Creighton had an outstanding kicking game. He showed respect to the Fiji defence and played for field position appropriately. This will hold them in good stead when they play the NZ. Massive boot too. Yes, the last cross field kick didn’t come off but that was clearly a last play roll of the dice when the team is up by 50 points

 

[Rebel with a cause]

NSW I:

David Tifa (Ashcroft HS; CHS), Southern Districts 2017 - not sure 2018?
Jack Ongosia (St Augustine’s; ISA), year off 2017 - not sure 2018?
Opeti Helu (Newington; GPS), Mormon 2 year break
Nick Brown (Kings; GPS), Gordon 1st Grade
Nicholas Frost (Knox; CAS), Crusaders NZ
Josh Kemeny (Cranbrook; CAS), - in squad
Dylan Pietsch (Kings; GPS), - Aussie 7s squad / Randwick 2nd Grade
Michael Fenn (Riverview; GPS), Manly RL
Will Haskins (Shore; GPS) , Manly 1sts Colts
Adam Doueihi (St Patrick’s; ISA), Souths RL
Jackson Mohi (Waverley; CAS) - 1sts Colts Randwick
Nick Wilkinson (Joeys; GPS), - Randwick 2nd grade
Will Terry (Riverview; GPS) , Syd Uni 1sts Colts
Yirribi Jaffer-Williams (Joeys; GPS) , Randwick 2nd grade (now year off?)
Ryan Longville (Trinity; CAS). Southern Districts 1st colts

Reserves: Charlie Jaevons-Fellows (Scots; GPS), Norths 1st colts Connor Grindal (Knox; CAS), Syd Uni 2017 - not sure 2018?Cameron Prince (St Augustine’s; ISA), Randwick 2nd colts Hugh Margin (Knox; CAS) - in 23, N.Lawson (GPS), Southern Districts 1st colts Terry Fanolua (Westfields SHS; CHS), Parramatta 1st colts Tyrone Taukamo (Newington; GPS), Souths RL Luke Osborne (Kings; GPS). Eastwood 3rd Grade / 1st colts

NSW II:

Darcy Breen (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni
Jacob Bristowe (Westfields SHS; CHS), Parra 1st colts 2017 - Eastwood 1st Colts 2018
Dan Matthew (Kariong Mt HS; CHS), - 1sts Colts Randwick
Liam Rasch (Trinity; CAS), ACT Brumbies
Rory Suttor (Shore; GPS), Syd Uni 1st colts
Charles Rorke (Riverview; GPS), Canberra RL
Mila Hingano (St Augustine’s; ISA), Syd Uni colts 2017 - Eastwood 1st colts 2018
Ben Gleeson (NBSC Cromer; CHS), ??
Tyzak Jordan (Waverley; CAS), - Randwick colts (injured)
Kieren Hayman (Hills SHS; CHS), Bulldogs RL
Jack Veitch (St Stanislaus; ISA), Manly 1st colts
Jordan Morris (Trinity; CAS), Southern Districts 2nd Grade
James Armstrong (Knox; CAS), Syd Uni 2nd grade / Aust 7s
Luke Rixon (Shore; GPS), 2017 Cooma RL - 2018 Murrimbullah RL
Matthew McTaggart (Joeys; GPS). - in starting XV

Reserves: Jack Upton (Knox; CAS), 1sts Colts Randwick T.Osborne GPS - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni, Frank Cutler (Riverview; GPS), 1sts Colts Gordon Tom Silk (Riverview; GPS), 1sts Colts Gordon Willy Manu (St Augustine’s; ISA), ?? Kyle Brown (Kings; GPS), 2017 1sts Colts Gordon - 2018 overseas William Harrison (Marcellin College; CCC) - 1sts Colts Randwick, Oliver Smeallie (Riverview; GPS).1sts Colts Gordon

Shadow Squad:

Tim Anstey (Barker; CAS), 1sts Colts WarringahMatt Coghill (Barker; CAS), 2nd Colts Gordon Bo Abra (St Augustine’s; ISA), 1sts Colts Easts Sam Ridley (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni Max Douglas (St Augustine’s; ISA) , 1sts Colts Manly Edward Fry (NBSC Freshwater; CHS), 1sts Colts Warringah Ben O’Sullivan (Waverley; CAS),3rd Colts Randwick Milan Basson (Knox; CAS),2nd Colts Sydney Uni Dimitry Chipizubov (Oakhill; ISA),3rd Colts Randwick Bayley Kuenzle (Newington; GPS) - in squad, Byron Hollingsworth-Dessent (Trinity; CAS), ?? Matthew Orpen (Kings; GPS), 2nd Colts Randwick Charles Shepherd (Asquith HS; CHS), 1sts Colts Eastwood Lachie Day (St Joseph’s; GPS), 1sts Colts Randwick Bailey McAndrew (St Augustine’s; ISA) ??

there you go Honey Badger. and Weet-Bix

To Ben Whitaker ARU
How did Phoenix Hunt, an 18 year old Nudgee college QLD boy in 2017 get the call up for the U20s National side.
1. Only 6 months ago he was picked as the 4th best halfback in the 2017 National schoolboys behind Seamus Smith ACT (starting half back Australian schoolboys), Marco Bell NSW (reserve Australian schoolboys halfback) and Dylan Dowling NSW (starting halfback Australian Barbarians)
Phoenix Hunt was reserve half back for Australian Barbarians.

2. With no 20s tournament this year how has he managed to leapfrog these boys into a National U 20s team where he now has the reputation as the incumbent for next year having played in the team already.

3. What about the 2016 halfbacks in other states programs. Were they even considered?
This is another blatant example of the U20s Qld coach picking, unchecked, his own players above other states.

4. There is no transparency in these National selections, no opportunity for comparison which has left the selection process a joke to be hijacked by Qld.

Ben Whittaker, you are in charge of the U20s ARU program.
There should be a system in place where a selection panel is chosen with a representative from each state – (the coaches of the U20s programs)? These coaches know and can push for their own boys so that we get a balanced strong National side
Seems a pretty simple answer??????

 

[The Honey Badger]

What is the situation with Loneragan?

Is he injured? Head knock?



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[Breaks_Away]

So with all the consternation regarding the selections and how there should have been more NSW players in there because they were dominant at the national schoolboys champs in 2016 (even though that was two years ago), let's look through that NSW team and work out where they are playing now.


NSW I:

David Tifa (Ashcroft HS; CHS),
Jack Ongosia (St Augustine’s; ISA),
Opeti Helu (Newington; GPS),
Nick Brown (Kings; GPS),
Nicholas Frost (Knox; CAS),
Josh Kemeny (Cranbrook; CAS), - in squad
Dylan Pietsch (Kings; GPS), - Aussie 7s squad
Michael Fenn (Riverview; GPS),
Will Haskins (Shore; GPS) ,
Adam Doueihi (St Patrick’s; ISA),
Jackson Mohi (Waverley; CAS) - 1sts Colts Randwick
Nick Wilkinson (Joeys; GPS),
Will Terry (Riverview; GPS) ,
Yirribi Jaffer-Williams (Joeys; GPS) ,
Ryan Longville (Trinity; CAS).

Reserves: Charlie Jaevons-Fellows (Scots; GPS), Connor Grindal (Knox; CAS), Cameron Prince (St Augustine’s; ISA), Hugh Margin (Knox; CAS) - in 23, N.Lawson (GPS), Terry Fanolua (Westfields SHS; CHS), Tyrone Taukamo (Newington; GPS), Luke Osborne (Kings; GPS).

NSW II:

Darcy Breen (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni
Jacob Bristowe (Westfields SHS; CHS),
Dan Matthew (Kariong Mt HS; CHS), - 1sts Colts Randwick
Liam Rasch (Trinity; CAS),
Rory Suttor (Shore; GPS),
Charles Rorke (Riverview; GPS),
Mila Hingano (St Augustine’s; ISA),
Ben Gleeson (NBSC Cromer; CHS),
Tyzak Jordan (Waverley; CAS),
Kieren Hayman (Hills SHS; CHS),
Jack Veitch (St Stanislaus; ISA),
Jordan Morris (Trinity; CAS),
James Armstrong (Knox; CAS),
Luke Rixon (Shore; GPS),
Matthew McTaggart (Joeys; GPS). - in starting XV

Reserves: Jack Upton (Knox; CAS), T.Osborne GPS - 1sts Colts for Sydney Uni, Frank Cutler (Riverview; GPS), Tom Silk (Riverview; GPS), Willy Manu (St Augustine’s; ISA), Kyle Brown (Kings; GPS), William Harrison (Marcellin College; CCC) - 1sts Colts Randwick, Oliver Smeallie (Riverview; GPS).

Shadow Squad:

Tim Anstey (Barker; CAS), Matt Coghill (Barker; CAS), Bo Abra (St Augustine’s; ISA), Sam Ridley (Scots; GPS), - 1sts Colts Sydney Uni Max Douglas (St Augustine’s; ISA) , Edward Fry (NBSC Freshwater; CHS), Ben O’Sullivan (Waverley; CAS), Milan Basson (Knox; CAS), Dimitry Chipizubov (Oakhill; ISA), Bayley Kuenzle (Newington; GPS) - in squad, Byron Hollingsworth-Dessent (Trinity; CAS), Matthew Orpen (Kings; GPS), Charles Shepherd (Asquith HS; CHS), Lachie Day (St Joseph’s; GPS), Bailey McAndrew (St Augustine’s; ISA)

So fill in the gaps, where are these players playing now?

Of the players above, Armstrong, Doueihi, Helu, Jaffer-Williams, L Osborne, Sikimeti, Suttor, Wilkinson, Abra, Frost, Harrison, Jordan, Matthew, Rorke, Pietsch and probably a couple I missed played Australian Schoolboys in 2016.

Two players on the above list I can confirm are Eastwood Colts

NSWII: Jacob Bristowe - Eastwood 1st Colts
NSW Shadows: Charles Shepard
Eastwood 1st Colts


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[Braveheart81]

If Gilmore has indeed selected a poor squad and does so for the U20 World Cup he'll pay for it in his results and won't last long in the job.

His prerogative as coach is that he gets to select his players. I don't for a second believe that a selection committee of the state coaches will come up with a better result. Coaches will largely push for their own players and will it end up with a better team? What are they basing their judgement on?

This is a transition year where we don't have the Super 20s but are moving to the NRC 19s at the end of the year which will hopefully give a better guide to which players should be involved in a better time frame for preparing for the Under 20 World Cup.

 

[Up the Guts]

Was Suttor injured before this and added to the squad? Haven't seen him on any Uni team sheet for a while so I presume he was.