A win over Wales would have pushed our ranking from 8th to 6th. A bonus point win over Wales would have pushed us to 5th.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
That was my understanding. Perhaps they needed a losing BP vs New Zealand to get 4th.
I may have been incorrectly informed.
I may have been incorrectly informed.
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David Wilson (68)
Recent history of Australian teams in this tournament suggests that there are systemic issues involving one or more of; poor selections, poor coaching and poor youth development/coach development structures.
We came 3rd in 2011 and since then we've come 8th, 7th, 5th, 5th, 6th, 6th and 5th.
The tournament has been dominated by England, South Africa and New Zealand who between them have won every tournament except 2018 since the event's inception in 2008 (France won in 2018).
Taking in a step further, out of the 11 tournaments held England have won it 3 times and finished 2nd on 6 occasions, New Zealand have won it 6 times and finished 2nd and 3rd once each and South Africa have won it once, finished 2nd once and finished 3rd 7 times.
Australia and Wales have similar records; mostly mid field with a couple of placings. Ireland and Scotland a little worse again.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby_Under_20_Championship
A lot of it relates to depth in my opinion. We don't have nearly the depth of New Zealand, England or South Africa.
Obviously the Wallabies results have been poor for the last few years but historically the Wallabies have been a top team but beyond our top players things fall away quickly.
In the under 20s this is exacerbated. In any given year we probably only have a couple of world class players unless we get lucky with a very talented year where we have an unusually high number of players who will go on to be Wallaby stars all in the same year.
Clearly we have to do things to try and improve that. I think there is room to improve in every category you've mentioned but the simple fact will be that we will always select a bunch of guys who don't really have much hope of maintaining a professional rugby career because they aren't good enough.
Obviously the Wallabies results have been poor for the last few years but historically the Wallabies have been a top team but beyond our top players things fall away quickly.
In the under 20s this is exacerbated. In any given year we probably only have a couple of world class players unless we get lucky with a very talented year where we have an unusually high number of players who will go on to be Wallaby stars all in the same year.
Clearly we have to do things to try and improve that. I think there is room to improve in every category you've mentioned but the simple fact will be that we will always select a bunch of guys who don't really have much hope of maintaining a professional rugby career because they aren't good enough.
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Ward Prentice (10)
http://www.rugbyau.com/news/2019/03/07/junior-wallabies-refine-training-squad
Junior Wallabies Head Coach Jason Gilmore has further refined the Junior Wallabies squad, as the team begin to finalise their preparation ahead of the Oceania U20s Championship in April.
The week-long camp will run from this Sunday at the Australian Institute of Sport and Brumbies HQ.
The training squad for the second camp is bolstered by the inclusion of Trevor Hosea, Esei Ha’angana, who will link up with the squad following their Super Rugby commitments.
Junior Wallabies Head Coach, Jason Gilmore said: “It's exciting to get the group together again. We’re getting closer to the Oceania U20 Championship and every opportunity we have together as a group is important.
"The staff including National High Performance Coach Advisor Stephen Larkham are looking forward to working with our playing group.
“Camp two will see a combination of units and team work across the week. The group is looking to build on camp one performances along with their performances in their respective clubs.
“We had our draw for the World Championship released the other day, and we’ll have some fierce opposition from sides that will be coming off their own Six Nations campaigns, so the hard work continues for our squad,” Gilmore said.
Josh Nasser, the son of 1991 Rugby World Cup winner Brendan Nasser is in the squad alongside Australian Men’s Sevens speedster Triston Reilly.
Canberra Camp Training Squad:
Bo Abra, NSW
Oliver Barden, Victoria
Angus Bell, NSW
Darcy Breen, NSW
Oliver Callan, Western Australia
Will Chaffey, Queensland
Liam Cornish, NSW
Joe Cotton, Queensland
Will Deardon, Queensland
Ethan Dobbins, Queensland
Ben Donaldson, NSW
Max Douglas, NSW
Max Dowd, Queensland
Will Goddard, ACT
Esei Ha’angana, Victoria
Brooklyn Hardaker, NSW
Jack Hardy, Queensland
Will Harris, NSW
Will Harrison, NSW
Isaac Henry, Queensland
Trevor Hosea, Victoria
Kristian Jensen, NSW
Nathan Lawson, NSW
Noah Lolesio, ACT
Lachlan Lonergan, ACT
Brody Macaskill, Western Australia
Michael McDonald, Western Australia
Fraser McReight, Queensland
Josh Nasser, Queensland
Mark Nawaqanitawase, NSW
Kye Oates, Queensland
Lachlan Osborne, ACT
Ben Paxton-Hall, Queensland
Byron Ralston, Queensland
Triston Reilly, AU7s
Henry Robertson, NSW
Egan Siggs, Queensland
Seamus Smith, ACT
Tristan Stanghon, Queensland
Pat Tafa, NSW
Sione Tui, Victoria
Liam Usher, Queensland
Rhys Van Nek, Queensland
Jack Walsh, NSW
Joey Walton, NSW
Harry Wilson, Queensland
Michael Wood, Queensland
Finn Wright, NSW
Junior Wallabies Head Coach Jason Gilmore has further refined the Junior Wallabies squad, as the team begin to finalise their preparation ahead of the Oceania U20s Championship in April.
The week-long camp will run from this Sunday at the Australian Institute of Sport and Brumbies HQ.
The training squad for the second camp is bolstered by the inclusion of Trevor Hosea, Esei Ha’angana, who will link up with the squad following their Super Rugby commitments.
Junior Wallabies Head Coach, Jason Gilmore said: “It's exciting to get the group together again. We’re getting closer to the Oceania U20 Championship and every opportunity we have together as a group is important.
"The staff including National High Performance Coach Advisor Stephen Larkham are looking forward to working with our playing group.
“Camp two will see a combination of units and team work across the week. The group is looking to build on camp one performances along with their performances in their respective clubs.
“We had our draw for the World Championship released the other day, and we’ll have some fierce opposition from sides that will be coming off their own Six Nations campaigns, so the hard work continues for our squad,” Gilmore said.
Josh Nasser, the son of 1991 Rugby World Cup winner Brendan Nasser is in the squad alongside Australian Men’s Sevens speedster Triston Reilly.
Canberra Camp Training Squad:
Bo Abra, NSW
Oliver Barden, Victoria
Angus Bell, NSW
Darcy Breen, NSW
Oliver Callan, Western Australia
Will Chaffey, Queensland
Liam Cornish, NSW
Joe Cotton, Queensland
Will Deardon, Queensland
Ethan Dobbins, Queensland
Ben Donaldson, NSW
Max Douglas, NSW
Max Dowd, Queensland
Will Goddard, ACT
Esei Ha’angana, Victoria
Brooklyn Hardaker, NSW
Jack Hardy, Queensland
Will Harris, NSW
Will Harrison, NSW
Isaac Henry, Queensland
Trevor Hosea, Victoria
Kristian Jensen, NSW
Nathan Lawson, NSW
Noah Lolesio, ACT
Lachlan Lonergan, ACT
Brody Macaskill, Western Australia
Michael McDonald, Western Australia
Fraser McReight, Queensland
Josh Nasser, Queensland
Mark Nawaqanitawase, NSW
Kye Oates, Queensland
Lachlan Osborne, ACT
Ben Paxton-Hall, Queensland
Byron Ralston, Queensland
Triston Reilly, AU7s
Henry Robertson, NSW
Egan Siggs, Queensland
Seamus Smith, ACT
Tristan Stanghon, Queensland
Pat Tafa, NSW
Sione Tui, Victoria
Liam Usher, Queensland
Rhys Van Nek, Queensland
Jack Walsh, NSW
Joey Walton, NSW
Harry Wilson, Queensland
Michael Wood, Queensland
Finn Wright, NSW
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Looks a little more balanced from a NSW perspective
Should be able pick a pretty good match day 23 out of that sqaud.
Forwards will be awesome
Potentially a pack of,
Abra, Lonergan, Bell (i assume its the prop bell if not Breen)
Douglass, Hosea
Mcreight, Tafa, Haangana
Should be able pick a pretty good match day 23 out of that sqaud.
Forwards will be awesome
Potentially a pack of,
Abra, Lonergan, Bell (i assume its the prop bell if not Breen)
Douglass, Hosea
Mcreight, Tafa, Haangana
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Jim Lenehan (48)
How many of those lads played at least Premier Grade last year?
Harry Wilson, Michael Wood and Josh Nasser all did (and played NRC last year, the open variety).
I think Jack Hardy did in Perth (and regardless has now played Super Rugby) and I think Will Deardon playd some prem grade in Perth too.
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Dick Tooth (41)
Will Harrison with Randwick and Sydney Ray's in NRC
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Hosea played NRC for Melbourne, may have played Soup
Haangana might be in his 3rd season playing soup for Rebels.
Tafa contracted to Tahs
McReight to Reds (think he has come on off the bench this year)
Lawson played URC, not sure if he played any grade for club
Haangana might be in his 3rd season playing soup for Rebels.
Tafa contracted to Tahs
McReight to Reds (think he has come on off the bench this year)
Lawson played URC, not sure if he played any grade for club
So, if we believe those who have played senior rugby are at an advantage, then a possible team of:
15 Noah Lolesio
14 Sione Tui
13 Jack Hardy
12 Isaac Henry
11 ??
10 Will Harrison
9 Will Goddard?
8 Pat Tafa
7 Fraser McReight
6 Harry Wilson
5 Trevor Hosea
4 Esei Ha'angana
3 Josh Nasser
2 ??
1 ??
15 Noah Lolesio
14 Sione Tui
13 Jack Hardy
12 Isaac Henry
11 ??
10 Will Harrison
9 Will Goddard?
8 Pat Tafa
7 Fraser McReight
6 Harry Wilson
5 Trevor Hosea
4 Esei Ha'angana
3 Josh Nasser
2 ??
1 ??
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Jim Lenehan (48)
Anyone able to put positions and highest honor they played for in 2018 against all the squad.
Im the first to admit I don't know all the names.
Im the first to admit I don't know all the names.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
I will have a stab at the ones I know,
Where is Garry Owen III when you need him?
Bo Abra, NSW Prop , (not sure but think LH) played Eagles URC
Oliver Barden, Victoria
Angus Bell, NSW Prop - Captain Aus Schools (LH)
Darcy Breen, NSW Prop - TH - U20 Squad URC
Oliver Callan, Western Australia
Will Chaffey, Queensland
Liam Cornish, NSW
Joe Cotton, Queensland
Will Deardon, Queensland
Ethan Dobbins, Queensland
Ben Donaldson, NSW 5/8 - fullback Aus Schools, URC , GenBlue
Max Douglas, NSW Lock, Aus Schools
Max Dowd, Queensland
Will Goddard, ACT
Esei Ha’angana, Victoria 6/ Lock Aus U20, Rebels
Brooklyn Hardaker, NSW
Jack Hardy, Queensland
Will Harris, NSW
Will Harrison, NSW 5/8 Aus U20, NRC, Tah contract
Isaac Henry, Queensland
Trevor Hosea, Victoria Lock , Aus U20 NRC
Kristian Jensen, NSW
Nathan Lawson, NSW Flanker URC
Noah Lolesio, ACT
Lachlan Lonergan, ACT Hooker Aus Schools
Brody Macaskill, Western Australia
Michael McDonald, Western Australia
Fraser McReight, Queensland Flanker (7) Aus U20, NRC, Reds
Josh Nasser, Queensland
Mark Nawaqanitawase, NSW
Kye Oates, Queensland
Lachlan Osborne, ACT Lock ?Schools Barbarian
Ben Paxton-Hall, Queensland
Byron Ralston, Queensland
Triston Reilly, AU7s Fullback/utility Aus 7's
Henry Robertson, NSW
Egan Siggs, Queensland
Seamus Smith, ACT
Tristan Stanghon, Queensland
Pat Tafa, NSW No 8, Aus U20 NRC Tah contract
Sione Tui, Victoria
Liam Usher, Queensland
Rhys Van Nek, Queensland
Jack Walsh, NSW
Joey Walton, NSW
Harry Wilson, Queensland 6/Lock NRC Reds
Michael Wood, Queensland Flanker Aus U20
Finn Wright, NSW
Where is Garry Owen III when you need him?
Bo Abra, NSW Prop , (not sure but think LH) played Eagles URC
Oliver Barden, Victoria
Angus Bell, NSW Prop - Captain Aus Schools (LH)
Darcy Breen, NSW Prop - TH - U20 Squad URC
Oliver Callan, Western Australia
Will Chaffey, Queensland
Liam Cornish, NSW
Joe Cotton, Queensland
Will Deardon, Queensland
Ethan Dobbins, Queensland
Ben Donaldson, NSW 5/8 - fullback Aus Schools, URC , GenBlue
Max Douglas, NSW Lock, Aus Schools
Max Dowd, Queensland
Will Goddard, ACT
Esei Ha’angana, Victoria 6/ Lock Aus U20, Rebels
Brooklyn Hardaker, NSW
Jack Hardy, Queensland
Will Harris, NSW
Will Harrison, NSW 5/8 Aus U20, NRC, Tah contract
Isaac Henry, Queensland
Trevor Hosea, Victoria Lock , Aus U20 NRC
Kristian Jensen, NSW
Nathan Lawson, NSW Flanker URC
Noah Lolesio, ACT
Lachlan Lonergan, ACT Hooker Aus Schools
Brody Macaskill, Western Australia
Michael McDonald, Western Australia
Fraser McReight, Queensland Flanker (7) Aus U20, NRC, Reds
Josh Nasser, Queensland
Mark Nawaqanitawase, NSW
Kye Oates, Queensland
Lachlan Osborne, ACT Lock ?Schools Barbarian
Ben Paxton-Hall, Queensland
Byron Ralston, Queensland
Triston Reilly, AU7s Fullback/utility Aus 7's
Henry Robertson, NSW
Egan Siggs, Queensland
Seamus Smith, ACT
Tristan Stanghon, Queensland
Pat Tafa, NSW No 8, Aus U20 NRC Tah contract
Sione Tui, Victoria
Liam Usher, Queensland
Rhys Van Nek, Queensland
Jack Walsh, NSW
Joey Walton, NSW
Harry Wilson, Queensland 6/Lock NRC Reds
Michael Wood, Queensland Flanker Aus U20
Finn Wright, NSW
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Cyril Towers (30)
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Jim Lenehan (48)
GWM, thanks for the formatting, looks good.
Any halfbacks in that squad?
Any halfbacks in that squad?
