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Tokyo Wallaby 22

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Ishmael said:
Jets said:
I would quite like to see Cross have a run in Tokyo. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) could then go back to 15 and we could have Ioane and Hynes on the wings. That sounds like a back 3 that Deans would be quite happy with.

Last time Cross started in the midfield we leaked 2 soft tries through that channel.

Scarfman, I think your research proposal might meet with some strong opposition from certain media figures whose weekly columns would be reduced to a smattering of NSWRU backroom chatter if speculation about match day 22's based on watching a few drills from the car while chowing down on a 4 and 20 was revealed to be without scientific basis.

It is worth remembering that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was on the other side of that leaky channel, Cross is the best 13 available if AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is returned to 15.
 
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Spook

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fatprop said:
Ishmael said:
Jets said:
I would quite like to see Cross have a run in Tokyo. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) could then go back to 15 and we could have Ioane and Hynes on the wings. That sounds like a back 3 that Deans would be quite happy with.

Last time Cross started in the midfield we leaked 2 soft tries through that channel.

Scarfman, I think your research proposal might meet with some strong opposition from certain media figures whose weekly columns would be reduced to a smattering of NSWRU backroom chatter if speculation about match day 22's based on watching a few drills from the car while chowing down on a 4 and 20 was revealed to be without scientific basis.

It is worth remembering that AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) was on the other side of that leaky channel, Cross is the best 13 available if AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is returned to 15.

I remember Carter fendeding off Cross from memory (Bled in Brisbane 2008?) for a soft try or 2. He isn't the greatest defender.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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True he ain't perfect, but our side is changing combinations just too often.

If AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is to be 15, then play him there, pick the best left for 13.

To me, that is Cross.
 
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Spook

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fatprop said:
True he ain't perfect, but our side is changing combinations just too often.

If AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is to be 15, then play him there, pick the best left for 13.

To me, that is Cross.

Yeah I agree with you. He's a good attacking player. I just hope he makes his tackles.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Spook said:
fatprop said:
True he ain't perfect, but our side is changing combinations just too often.

If AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is to be 15, then play him there, pick the best left for 13.

To me, that is Cross.

Yeah I agree with you. He's a good attacking player. I just hope he makes his tackles.

The strange thing is that his S14 stats have him missing 1.7 tackle a game, Mortlock & Horne both had higher missed tackle stats with a slightly better Cooper at 1.6.
 
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Spook

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fatprop said:
Spook said:
fatprop said:
True he ain't perfect, but our side is changing combinations just too often.

If AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is to be 15, then play him there, pick the best left for 13.

To me, that is Cross.

Yeah I agree with you. He's a good attacking player. I just hope he makes his tackles.

The strange thing is that his S14 stats have him missing 1.7 tackle a game, Mortlock & Horne both had higher missed tackle stats with a slightly better Cooper at 1.6.

Interesting, maybe he has improved his defense this season.
 
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Ishmael

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fatprop said:
True he ain't perfect, but our side is changing combinations just too often.

If AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) is to be 15, then play him there, pick the best left for 13.

To me, that is Cross.

Nah, if AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) isn't at 13 I'd rather have Diggers there. I'd have Cross ahead of Horne, but only just.
 

Lance Free

Arch Winning (36)
Newb said:
is chapman that capable at lock? i thought he mostly played at 6 for the brumbs.

I've watched Chapman play many club games for the Red Heavies (Uni) and Queensland but have never seen him play lock - always 6.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Ishmael said:
Nah, if AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) isn't at 13 I'd rather have Diggers there. I'd have Cross ahead of Horne, but only just.

I like the way you think Ishy.
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Here we go again talking about some back who may, or may not, have made 1.7 tackles. We may as well talk about whether they part their hair, and if they do, on what side - or what colour boots they wear. Come to think about it: we could probably talk about what hair colour they are using.

It won't matter what the names of our backs are - compared to whether or not the forwards show up to play. If they let the Blacks swarm over them and push them back time after time as they did in Bledisloe III, whether the ball was on the ground or above it, which position which back plays in is as irrelevant as a pimple on the bum of a cancer victim.

The worst thing watching that was seeing the grinning of the Blacks after they did it, and later they seemed to be grinning before they did it, knowing that they could.

There was also a headless chook aspect to our forward play: nobody seemed to know who was fielding the restarts and if it the restart was stuffed up the Blacks were hungrier for the loose ball - in fact they were hungrier for the loose ball all over the park. And as for the white flag in the last 10 minutes - well, let's not go there.

And if the same kind of pitiful forward effort happens in Tokyo, what will we be talking about a few days later? Some other back who probably made 1.8 tackles yonks before.

He'll make a difference.
 

Henry

Bill Watson (15)
Get 2-dads at Fullback, Mitchell & Turner on the Wings and Diggers at outside. Sorted.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
All of you, on your knees, clasp hands together, fix your gaze on a small spot, concentrate, concentrate, concentrate ...

... and repeat 1,000 times ....

"I must absorb Lee Grant's totally correct analysis and conclusions into my own thinking".

Tomorrow, on your knees, clasp hands together, fix your gaze on a small spot, concentrate, concentrate, concentrate ...

... and repeat 1,000 times ....

"I will never again discuss the positioning of backs as of any relevance whatsoever to the performances of the Wallabies"
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
I reckon if Barnes played 10 and Giteau 12, we might have won an extra game or two this year.

And if JOC (James O'Connor) didn't play at all we mightv'e won the whole thing.

Forwards? Pfft. Just give us the ball!
 

Lee Grant

John Eales (66)
Biffo said:
All of you, on your knees, clasp hands together, fix your gaze on a small spot, concentrate, concentrate, concentrate ...

... and repeat 1,000 times ....

"I must absorb Lee Grant's totally correct analysis and conclusions into my own thinking".

Tomorrow, on your knees, clasp hands together, fix your gaze on a small spot, concentrate, concentrate, concentrate ...

... and repeat 1,000 times ....

"I will never again discuss the positioning of backs as of any relevance whatsoever to the performances of the Wallabies"


Couldn't have put it better myself, though 1,000 times seems a bit light.


Get the forwards going right and all our backs will, of a sudden, look like world beaters - the same guys, give or take.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Once I calmed down a bit after the Wellington boning, I got in touch with Link Mckenzie asking him his viewpoint on the fwds performance in the match - did we pull a heartiledge or was it a deliberate tactic to cede the breakdown?

His reply:

probably the desire to hold the width in attack and defence by Wallabies and the tactic of guarding zones rather than fwds chasing the ball

His statement confirmed what the replays were saying to me - our abandonment of the breakdown was less about
whether or not the forwards show up to play
and more about what tactics Dingo et al had chosen to start with.

I'm guessing that with Nonu and Toeava in the midfield going gangbusters at the likes of Gits, Barnes and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Dingo figured having a bit of muscle and backup midfield wouldn't go amiss, and might also eventuate in a few turn-overs out wide.

As we saw, the ABs stayed to the tighter channels and we got pwned, as well as missing many an opportunity to attack the breakdown. What looked like our guys shying away, was actually them playing to gameplan; "Don't chase the ball, get to your defensive zone and trust the pattern" You can see plenty of examples in the clip at the bottom.

So maybe our discussion should include - "what pattern should we play and why" rather than solely blaming the executers of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDj8rHOJNAE
 
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