The Wallabies Thread

[Derpus]

BH, I see Ned as being very similar to both of Dean Mumm and Rob Simmons. All with particular skills but not sufficiently well rounded to be able to dominate at test level. Like the others, Ned will no doubt get more test time, but I don't think he will ever be more than a fill in. Sadly, Mumm and Simmons should be, or should have been, handled the same way but imo both have had more opportunities at test level than the style of their play warranted.

http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/nuttas-guide-red-wine-rugby/

Seems relevant here.

 

[Braveheart81]

BH, I see Ned as being very similar to both of Dean Mumm and Rob Simmons. All with particular skills but not sufficiently well rounded to be able to dominate at test level. Like the others, Ned will no doubt get more test time, but I don't think he will ever be more than a fill in. Sadly, Mumm and Simmons should be, or should have been, handled the same way but imo both have had more opportunities at test level than the style of their play warranted.

57 test Dean Mumm and 83* test Rob Simmons?

Maybe your judgement of players isn't as good as you think.

 

[Tomikin]

57 test Dean Mumm and 83* test Rob Simmons?

Maybe your judgement of players isn't as good as you think.

His only saying what most of us have said...they arent the best options ever but they are at the time.



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[fatprop]

BH, I see Ned as being very similar to both of Dean Mumm and Rob Simmons. All with particular skills but not sufficiently well rounded to be able to dominate at test level. Like the others, Ned will no doubt get more test time, but I don't think he will ever be more than a fill in. Sadly, Mumm and Simmons should be, or should have been, handled the same way but imo both have had more opportunities at test level than the style of their play warranted.

In rugby you sometimes need units to play a role and just do a job. They are not the most explosive or dominant, but they do the dog work that allows others to pick their moments.

But there is no such thing as an "average" 50 test rugby player, you reach that level and you are simply a Wallaby

 

[cyclopath]

His track record of storming off/ running away from referees when his team has disiplen issues, of having terrable communication with referees (although next to Moore he's very good). Hooper pleading with his team to improve their disiplen and his team promptly giving away cards because they have ignored him.
I've spoken to former Provincial and Test capitans who are appalled of some of the carry on that come from Hooper.

I'm quite sure he's a great guy, and he's an outstanding player, just not a very good on field leader, or at least he's not really shown that yet.

Shiggins called. He wants his homemade Speelchiek back.

 

[Braveheart81]

His only saying what most of us have said.they arent the best options ever but they are at the time.

You only ever have to the best option at the time.

 

[Joe Blow]

57 test Dean Mumm and 83* test Rob Simmons?

Maybe your judgement of players isn't as good as you think.

I thought Simmons was dominant when he came on last weekend. He ran the ball, made multiple big driving tackles behind the ad line, steadied the lineout and helped anchor an improving scrum. Cant really ask more than that?

 

[Braveheart81]

I thought Simmons was dominant when he came on last weekend. He ran the ball, made multiple big driving tackles behind the ad line, steadied the lineout and helped anchor an improving scrum. Cant really ask more than that?

No. His one blemish was dropping the pass from Genia that would have put him through a gap. The pass was behind him though. He still should have caught it but Genia should have passed it better.

He will be in the 23 again. Arnold's only path to playing in this series is to start instead of Rodda in my opinion which certainly isn't going to happen this test or for there to be an injury.

 

[Rock Lobster]

In regards to Hooper's captaincy, I couldn't believe Genia had to talk him into taking that shot at goal from in front of the posts when they were a point down at the 68 min mark. Would love to know how the conversation actually went but the body language from Genia was basically saying FFS mate we are a point down with just over 10 to go in a vital Test match, take the fucking points you idiot!

 

[Derpus]

I thought Simmons was dominant when he came on last weekend. He ran the ball, made multiple big driving tackles behind the ad line, steadied the lineout and helped anchor an improving scrum. Cant really ask more than that?

Could ask him to catch the fucking ball when through a gaping chasm in the defence. Yeah yeah, it was at his hip, whatever.

How is a man so good at catching a ball in a line-out so shit at catching the ball in any other scenario.

 

[Joe Blow]

Could ask him to catch the fucking ball when through a gaping chasm in the defence. Yeah yeah, it was at his hip, whatever.

How is a man so good at catching a ball in a line-out so shit at catching the ball in any other scenario.

He’s done it before. He was away..... he was running a decoy and should have been looking for the ball. He ran in to a big hole.

 

[barbarian]

In regards to Hooper's captaincy, I couldn't believe Genia had to talk him into taking that shot at goal from in front of the posts when they were a point down at the 68 min mark. Would love to know how the conversation actually went but the body language from Genia was basically saying FFS mate we are a point down with just over 10 to go in a vital Test match, take the fucking points you idiot!

Yeah. Although, at the time, I was screaming for them to call another scrum. You've just dicked the Irish on their own line, a pushover/penalty try could be in the offing.

In hindsight, the shot at goal was the better option.
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[cyclopath]

In regards to Hooper's captaincy, I couldn't believe Genia had to talk him into taking that shot at goal from in front of the posts when they were a point down at the 68 min mark. Would love to know how the conversation actually went but the body language from Genia was basically saying FFS mate we are a point down with just over 10 to go in a vital Test match, take the fucking points you idiot!

Funny, I didn't pick up the content that conversation at the ground or on TV watching the replay later. It looked like senior players discussion a decision. Shocking thing to happen. Your lip-reading might be better than mine, granted.

 

[wamberal]

In regards to Hooper's captaincy, I couldn't believe Genia had to talk him into taking that shot at goal from in front of the posts when they were a point down at the 68 min mark.

I cannot believe it either. In fact, I doubt that anybody could believe it. So maybe it didn't actually happen???

 

[Derpus]

I cannot believe it either. In fact, I doubt that anybody could believe it. So maybe it didn't actually happen???

It did look suspiciously like what was happening though.

 

[Rock Lobster]

Have another look Cyclo, Genia is calling the shots there. Hooper looked like a kid who had his lolly bag taken off him when he reluctantly pointed to the posts.

 

[barbarian]

Have another look Cyclo, Genia is calling the shots there. Hooper looked like a kid who had his lolly bag taken off him when he reluctantly pointed to the posts.

I saw the point in your first post, but you've gone a step too far here.

Hooper had an animated discussion with Genia, then made the call. I can't really fault him there, especially since the call turned out to be correct.

The lengths some people will go to to be negative about the game/players, hey.
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[Rock Lobster]

Point being there should never have been a discussion at all. In the same circumstances 99.99% of Test captains would have pointed straight at the sticks as soon as the whistle blew. Just an observation.

 

[cyclopath]

Have another look Cyclo, Genia is calling the shots there. Hooper looked like a kid who had his lolly bag taken off him when he reluctantly pointed to the posts.

Whatever. I was pretty close to that part of the field at Suncorp (i.e right behind the dead ball line), and it looked like players discussing options then a decision being made. And not really at all like your last analogy.

 

[barbarian]

Point being there should never have been a discussion at all. In the same circumstances 99.99% of Test captains would have pointed straight at the sticks as soon as the whistle blew. Just an observation.

Really? I don't think it was an easy decision by any means. As I said, there would be a big temptation to pack another scrum and see if they could force a penalty try. You could make a case that it was the time to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

I certainly don't think the decision was a clear as you present it.
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