The Wallabies Thread

[Inside Shoulder]

I mean yeah, sure we arent well coached etc. But players are currently no where near their peak either. Not much has changed in the availability of the tight five that absolutely beasted England in the world cup. We could pick and start that same tight five but they have all fallen so far off the pace we would be demolished. Other players are well below their peak. Foley, for example. Kuridrani.

There is definitely something happening to the mentality of the players.

I think you're right about that (bolded): if Cheika is correct and they are not fit enough thats an S&C problem at super level: I am astounded that is an issue since it was an issue when he started at the Tags, IIRC.
I think their mentality issue is confidence: maybe the Cheika mysticism has worn off and there is nothing to replace it.
I also think we've been left behind defensively - we have to move to an up and in, umbrella call it whatever: every other team seems to be playing this way. Mind you it makes us susceptible to the Barrett kick pass - but we're already succumbing to those.

 

[Brumby Runner]

I think you're right about that (bolded): if Cheika is correct and they are not fit enough thats an S&C problem at super level: I am astounded that is an issue since it was an issue when he started at the Tags, IIRC.
I think their mentality issue is confidence: maybe the Cheika mysticism has worn off and there is nothing to replace it.
I also think we've been left behind defensively - we have to move to an up and in, umbrella call it whatever: every other team seems to be playing this way. Mind you it makes us susceptible to the Barrett kick pass - but we're already succumbing to those.

I'd suggest with the compressed defensive line, we are more susceptible to the cross field kick/pass than if we stretched out more across the ground and just let the outside man linger a bit back behind the line until the ball is clear of the No 10 spot/Barrett whomever is playing at No 10.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I'd suggest with the compressed defensive line, we are more susceptible to the cross field kick/pass than if we stretched out more across the ground and just let the outside man linger a bit back behind the line until the ball is clear of the No 10 spot/Barrett whomever is playing at No 10.

What we're doing is not working so I say give it a go.
Whatever "system" you use it ultimately comes down to instinct fueling sound execution.
Not saying I disagree but if you wait for the ball to leave Barrett's hands you can finish up with the clusterf@@@ we had between hodge and DHP V SCOTLAND.
No single system is perfect and it takes confidence to back your instincts.
The present problem with drift defence is its susceptibility to wrong footing and it's vulnerability to breach when you get speed differentials favouring the attacker v defender. I think - I don't know, of course.

 

[ArmchairGeneral]

Coleman for Wallabies captain after Japan RWC.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Coleman for Wallabies captain after Japan RWC.

How about as of now.

 

[Gnostic]

For the third game in a row after a three week rest the Waratahs with the Wallabies defensive coach in charge of the same aspect have shipped 40+ points, with some absolutely glaring failures. This is a side that features a lot of Wallabies, why are they so shit as this aspect? Why have the Wallabies also for two years been also pretty poor in this aspect.

After watching most matches of the Lions series I think its a safe bet that the Wallabies will be lucky not to ship 40+ points in the Bledisloe tests this year, and IMHO would be lucky to win against a NZ Super side. As bad as the Deans years were I think we have managed to find even worse performances.

 

[TOCC]

So tell me again how Nathan Grey is qualified to Wallabies defence coach, Wallabies 2017 was poor and the Waratahs have one of worst defences in the competition, the only team with a worse tackle completion rate is the Sunwolves and have conceded the 4th highest number of tries.

Likewise with Larkham, sure the Brumbies are on top of the conference, but it's through great defence and not good attack, the position he has been selected to fill at the Wallabies, Brumbies rank 17th for defenders beaten, 18th for offloads, 18th for meters run and 18th for clean breaks.

 

[Gnostic]

So tell me again how Nathan Grey is qualified to Wallabies defence coach, Wallabies 2017 was poor and the Waratahs have one of worst defences in the competition, the only team with a worse tackle completion rate is the Sunwolves and have conceded the 4th highest number of tries.



Likewise with Larkham, sure the Brumbies are on top of the conference, but it's through great defence and not good attack, the position he has been selected to fill at the Wallabies, Brumbies rank 17th for defenders beaten, 18th for offloads, 18th for meters run and 18th for clean breaks.

TOCC you will recall that I have been banging on about integrity for a little while now, not just in terms of individuals but in the systems. When we can justifiably question the appointment of individuals and the system that has led them to their well paying jobs the system itself comes into question. Nothing in Australian Rugby has integrity. Nobody can argue that they are the best person for the job as nobody can honestly say they have won their job through an open and transparent process that selected on genuine skills for the job.

Larkham and Grey have not earnt their positions, though perhaps Grey got some period of grace for the efforts of the Tahs in 2014 and the Wallabies in RWC 2015, but that is a long time and significant failures ago.

 

[Rebels3]

TOCC you will recall that I have been banging on about integrity for a little while now, not just in terms of individuals but in the systems. When we can justifiably question the appointment of individuals and the system that has led them to their well paying jobs the system itself comes into question. Nothing in Australian Rugby has integrity. Nobody can argue that they are the best person for the job as nobody can honestly say they have won their job through an open and transparent process that selected on genuine skills for the job.

Larkham and Grey have not earnt their positions, though perhaps Grey got some period of grace for the efforts of the Tahs in 2014 and the Wallabies in RWC 2015, but that is a long time and significant failures ago.

ACCOUNTABILITY

 

[Slim 293]

There just seems to be a recurring theme in Aussie rugby, from top to bottom...........

Summed up for me with these two headlines from the schoolboys competition today:

ACT crowned National Schoolboy champions

NSW dominates Schoolboys team

 

[Highlander35]

Something something stronger individuals something something lesser players with stronger coaching/intent something something winning combinations irrelevant to getting best Xv out there something something.

 

[Brumby Runner]

So tell me again how Nathan Grey is qualified to Wallabies defence coach, Wallabies 2017 was poor and the Waratahs have one of worst defences in the competition, the only team with a worse tackle completion rate is the Sunwolves and have conceded the 4th highest number of tries.

Likewise with Larkham, sure the Brumbies are on top of the conference, but it's through great defence and not good attack, the position he has been selected to fill at the Wallabies, Brumbies rank 17th for defenders beaten, 18th for offloads, 18th for meters run and 18th for clean breaks.

TOCC, This illustrates precisely the most disappointing aspect of the Reds/Brumbies game on the weekend. It's not that the Brumbies lost, but the manner in which they played the game. Who could bemoan the the few sparks of hope shining through in some of the Reds' players, DP, Parese, Rodda, Hunt and towards the end, Cooper? But where is there any evidence that the Brumbies are wanting to create plays that will challenge a defense and maybe ultimately lead to scoring a few tries?

This was a perfect opportunity to try some attacking plays in a game where the result wasn't at all that important. But first half, they continually kicked possession away mostly it seemed on first phase, and in the second were simply outplayed by the Reds who were more inclined to throw the ball around and actually challenge the Brumbies' defensive line.

The attitude that the Brumbies are taking towards games does not invoke hope or confidence in either them or the Wallabies tasting success over the remainder of 2017.

 

[wamberal]

Hard to disagree.


Maybe this is another rebuilding year? Or was that last year? Hard to know, really.

 

[upthereds#!]

Saw this on WTF is with Australian Rugby FB page.


With Australian rugby struggling through adversity off the field and poor results on it, at least we can all sleep soundly knowing the Wallabies will have even more time to be coached by Defence guru Nathan Grey, who over the last few years has gone from strength to strength with the defensively heroic Waratahs. A promotion thoroughly earned and deserved as the clarity of his standing as the preeminant defensive expert available to Australian rugby both from home and abroad is justified. In conjunction with the tried, tested and extensive attack coaching history of Larkham, whose speciality attacking weapon is the driving maul, jeez I'm filled with confidence....bring on Japan 2019.

 

[TOCC]

Wallabies would be better off recruiting the Tahs attack coach and the Brumbies defence coach, Grey and Larkham don't deserve their relevant positions coaching the Wallabies based on form of the teams they have coached over the past 2 years in their respective areas.

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Wallabies would be better off recruiting the Tahs attack coach and the Brumbies defence coach, Grey and Larkham don't deserve their relevant positions coaching the Wallabies based on form of the teams they have coached over the past 2 years in their respective areas.

And that last part of your statement goes for the players as well.

 

[mst]

Saw this on WTF is with Australian Rugby FB page.


With Australian rugby struggling through adversity off the field and poor results on it, at least we can all sleep soundly knowing the Wallabies will have even more time to be coached by Defence guru Nathan Grey, who over the last few years has gone from strength to strength with the defensively heroic Waratahs. A promotion thoroughly earned and deserved as the clarity of his standing as the preeminant defensive expert available to Australian rugby both from home and abroad is justified. In conjunction with the tried, tested and extensive attack coaching history of Larkham, whose speciality attacking weapon is the driving maul, jeez I'm filled with confidence..bring on Japan 2019.

Where did the above come from? Cant find it on FB.

 

[upthereds#!]

Where did the above come from? Cant find it on FB.

Yeh that's weird I'm getting notifications of other people commenting on it, but when I go through that FB page I can't find it. Someone just wrote it, got a few likes and laughs.

 

[fatprop]

I think it is worth looking at some of the tactics the Lions used to counter ABs tactics

The quick lineout, their kicks went out and chase simply negated any speedy play. All your, no NZ side was aloud a free pass to counter. Or they were totally contestable and contested.

The Lions also focused on competing everywhere, they made lineouts a dock yard brawl in every game, disrupting whenever they could.

Defensively they used great line speed (testing the ref's patience often) to drive the attackers to the inside channels.

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[wamberal]

Our kicks can go anywhere or nowhere.