The Tahs

[waratahjesus]

the kiwi teams mean there are at least 5 to I0 thousand away fans (from bondi)
its not a great crowd but over the last few years it aint bad.
this thread is completely negative but hte fact of the matter is, its a good crowd for any game in sydney in any sport
the broncos are the only aussie side in a rugby code that can boast a actual good attendance.
just watch the eels this year if they lose two or three matches crowd numbers halve

 

[Running Rugby]

In the words of the immortal Jack Gibson (and many other coaches I'm sure) the biggest problem with the Waratahs is the players play like they've got aids- Acquired intelligence deficiency syndrome.

 

[Pfitzy]

its not a great crowd but over the last few years it aint bad.

Therein lies the problem - "over the last few years". I remember going to several games where the attendance was over 23K even for Saffer teams. Tahs fans are disillusioned.

 

[waratahjesus]

its not a great crowd but over the last few years it aint bad.

Therein lies the problem - "over the last few years". I remember going to several games where the attendance was over 23K even for Saffer teams. Tahs fans are disillusioned.

by Tahs fans are disillusioned im taking it as your accusing me of being?
so you remember in the last few years the tahs having as many as 2 I/2 thousand more than was there last night, and in the last five years as aussie super attendence has gone down across the board this has all been due to the tahs playing what is percieved as boring rugby?

the media conditions the marketing to say that were all going to go to the game and have a good old shin dig hile forty three trys are scored faster than a whore goes down in bangkok.

the problems are much deeper than the tahs playing style and i find it funny that people who post with so much rugby knowledge cant except the fact that when the tahs turned down penalty kicks in the first half to have a crack and repeatedly came away empty handed that there change to a game plan of territory might have been facilitated over a need to win the game first and entertain second, or are we to believe that those who turned up to watch qld lose last week didnt care there team lost but enjoyed the fact they threw the ball around?

 

[Pfitzy]

Playing territory is not all about kicking. Its about kicking well (fail) and running the ball back into space (fail). So far this season we appear to be completely unable to play a decent territory game yet have some of the best runners in the competition. Use them.

 

[waratahjesus]

Playing territory is not all about kicking. Its about kicking well (fail) and running the ball back into space (fail). So far this season we appear to be completely unable to play a decent territory game yet have some of the best runners in the competition. Use them.

so next week, if they run the ball and throw it round a bit bt lose the game that will be fine by you?

 

[Blue]

making two finals doesn't make you succuessful, winning them does. they have power to do it and should be able too.

im gong to throw this out there, the comp is the problem.

:lmao:

I can't wait to hear your explanation why other people manage to win it like those blokes down the road in the Capital.

Blame the comp. WTF?

 

[Blue]

the kiwi teams mean there are at least 5 to I0 thousand away fans (from bondi)

There are ten thousand kiwis in Bondi?

You really haven't got a fucking clue son.

When last have you been in Bondi?

:lmao:

 

[TheRiddler]

WJ, I admire your passion. I love your unquestionable commitment and support for the Tahs. Coming from Pomland, it reminds me of the following and support families after families have given to their soccer team. You can buy or manufacture that sort of allegiance.

However, all that being said, you are kidding yourself. Some of your defense of the current situation borders on the verge of insanity. If you truly believe that there was no booing last night, I suggest you get yourself down to the nearest Australian Hearing Centre first thing tomorrow morning. Either that or you were with a bunch of screaming ten year olds who didnt have clue where they were or were part of the mob wearing red t-shirts behind the goal. (yeah, great sponsor initiative, dress a bunch of sheep up in the colour of your greatest enemy. Truly wonderful).

Wake up to yourself. You say that 20,000 wasnt that bad. The last regular season fixture between these two teams in Sydney on 26th April 2008 drew a crowd of over 26,000 (interestingly enough, I think Carter scored that night as well). Last night was good weather, no other major sporting fixture in town and that was the best we could do. I got a taxi from MHYC in Mosman to the ground and thought it was going to cost me a small fortune. Couldnt believe how light the traffic was and how quickly I got to the SFS.

NSW Rugby overall is a mess. Politics, the old boys club and back slapping rules the way. The coach has no real idea and is an average club rugby stalwart at best. The team has no real game plan. One of Australia's brightest rugby stars last year has all of a sudden forgotten how to play rugby. Their play book consists of two real moves; one off hitups in channel one by the forwards or an runner coming inside the fly-half for a telegraphed inside pop pass. If that doesnt work then play number three, kick the ball anywhere and hope for the best.

The marketing and membership department is equally inept. I wanted to spend some serious cash in getting to Brisbane to support my team. I had heard nothing from the club. I emailed them to find out what their plans were for travelling supported. I was told the plans would be announced shortly. Nothing arrived so I made my own arrangements. 5 days before the game, a half-baked email was sent out. What good was that. Surely everyone else would have made their own plans by then.

Lat night's great marketing effort, free flags to the first 1,000 spectators. Yep, that got them rolling in, as did the invade the field idea. Complete and utter bollocks. An expensive waste of time that has pretty much zero appeal to anyone remotely interested in actually watching a game of professional rugby. Their entire ad campaign seems to resolve around one man who has not had the greatest of seasons. Yep, another stunning success. Bit like Tah Man over the past few years - yep, that got them coming in from districts far afield. Another complete joke that perhaps got a couple of kids interested for a game or two but hasnt bred any longer term benefits.

WJ, as you may have gathered, I am sick and tired of this complete and utter shambles that my self and my partner pay good money to follow and support each year. You and I may have differing views on the setup but we share a great passion for the Tahs, one that transcends origins, location and profession. However, my rose-tinted glasses shattered a long time ago. I am a realist and demand action - now.

Its been a big and long weekend. Think its time I best went to bed. Night all.

 

[fatprop]

Sounds silly, but I was happier to see the Tahs lose playing well against the Bulls than winning whilst playing so ineptly against the Sharks.

 

[Pfitzy]

I certainly swore at the screen a lot less fatprop ... That loss came down to a well executed game plan marred by a few missed tackles. This was just dross except for the tries.

so next week, if they run the ball and throw it round a bit bt lose the game that will be fine by you?

If they show some effort, some guts, some fucking passion and commitment for 80 minutes then they'll have me back no matter the result.

For the rest of my comments - see riddler's email. Except for one thing:

Some of your defense of the current situation borders on the verge of insanity.

For the record, I think you're way over the verge.

 

[waratahjesus]

the kiwi teams mean there are at least 5 to I0 thousand away fans (from bondi)

There are ten thousand kiwis in Bondi?

You really haven't got a fucking clue son.

When last have you been in Bondi?

:lmao:

there is about I00 thousand kiwis in bondi, i was there last night blue, and they will support whatever kiwi team is winning at the time. a few years ago every kiwi in sydney was from auckland, ow there from canterbury, then there was the year the guy who is a member was from wellington, i have a very good clue blue, what exactly do you have? can you see better from your high horse?

 

[waratahjesus]

making two finals doesn't make you succuessful, winning them does. they have power to do it and should be able too.

im gong to throw this out there, the comp is the problem.

:lmao:

I can't wait to hear your explanation why other people manage to win it like those blokes down the road in the Capital.

Blame the comp. WTF?

the comp is the problem for falling crowds across the board in australia blue, not for not winning it. south african teams dont draw in any town but perth but even there with the amount of expats they boast it doesnt acount for many. teams in australia have flatlined with there fans and ony a couple of overseas teams provide a boost .

and if you watched the brumbies on friday night i again dont know why there ranked better than the tahs at this point on that performance.

 

[waratahjesus]

riddler,

i can assure you im not on the verge of anything ive repeated that i didnt think the game was that speacial and i didnt find it entertaining. but to claim time and time agin on here as people do that the tahs can play "exciting" "attacking" "flair fulled" and any other marketing term throwen out by the daily telegraph type rugby at will instead of trying to win a game is just complete bullshit.

the crowds have been falling for a long time, i sat threw a press conference last year with John o'neil and the top brass at st leonards talking about this and it was with every state not just nsw and saying why they were supporting the new super I5 conference system in the hope it boosts sides. the lack of interest in overseas clashes being a factor behind this was mentioned about 400 times. me pointing out this factor isnt about defending blindly it is something that is hapening, did the reds crowds go up sharply on the back of there performence this year so far? the force moved to a 20000 seat stadium and havnt once filled it after bragging that they wouldnt have enough seats for there member base. the I3000 that turned up to see the brumbies first home game of the season with the return of there home town hero giteau and the wallaby captain rocky making there debuts must surely be a success then right?

its not a great crowd in sydney sure but it also wasnt bad for what it was. if we get less than 35 for the clash against the brumbies at Homebush then panic stations will be needed and i tend to think panic stations will be reached, but i dont think it is worthy of NTA creating his 400 threads on the issue.

and more so riddler, i agree that the organisation of the reds trip was crap, ive said this to you before, it was late and an afterthought and it was unexcusable, but what do you really want for your membership? your just buying a season ticket and i assume your able to view the game? the team is playing to win, just not how you want them to play to win?

the percieved notion that the blanket advertising by the NRL this week about there season launch ext week on friday night that will see one of the worst tahs crowds in history against a team that doesn have a fan in the county didnt have something to do with saturdays crowd is a joke. i picked up the telegraph for my train trip in, there was a good q&a with phil waugh in there who was celebrating equaling the most caps as captain and a player for nsw, it was five pages into it to make way for the groundbreaking news that Manly league club had a season launch where no one raped anyone on the back page follwed by a double page story on how great bret stewert is to his mum in the hope he gets off his court case. There not up against nothing in sydney, if you have a suggestion other than if the team suddenly plays rugby like they dont have an opposition feel free to come up with an idea to improve the crowds.

ive covered the booing in a previous post, just read it, didnt say there wasnt any, just said the team wasnt booed from the field or anything and the fact they were booed when they went for the penalty goal int he first five minutes shows what a stupid rugby crowd it was anyway.

 

[Langthorne]

... the team is playing to win, just not how you want them to play to win?

Winning the battle (wins without a bonus point) but losing the war (failing to make the finals. Again)

 

[Blue]

i have a very good clue blue, what exactly do you have? can you see better from your high horse?

i must have had blinkers on when I lived right in Bondi until two years ago (for four years).

You really are talking shit.

 

[louie]

The tahs really need to stop lying to their fans. If your going to grind out wins and kick for field position then say that's what your going to do. Tahs fans bitch about their team more then any other and it's really understandable. Just be honest with them. At least when the reds said they were going to try and entertain they did.

 

[waratahjesus]

i have a very good clue blue, what exactly do you have? can you see better from your high horse?

i must have had blinkers on when I lived right in Bondi until two years ago (for four years).

You really are talking shit.

i spend time in bondi every week blue and have a few friends that live there, if your saying you wernt surrounded by kiwis and poms then you were living in the rich part, sorry dude, next you will be telling me there is no saffas in st ives.

 

[Bruce Ross]

i have a very good clue blue, what exactly do you have? can you see better from your high horse?

i must have had blinkers on when I lived right in Bondi until two years ago (for four years).

You really are talking shit.

i spend time in bondi every week blue and have a few friends that live there, if your saying you wernt surrounded by kiwis and poms then you were living in the rich part, sorry dude, next you will be telling me there is no saffas in st ives.

Sorry to break up a very entertaining exchange of pleasantries, boys. Why don't we just look at the facts? I realise, of course, that that is not usual protocol on this forum.

I went to the 2006 Census and extracted data for the collection districts of Bondi, Bondi Beach, Bondi Junction and North Bondi which collectively make up what most people would consider as Bondi.

On Census night there were 36274 persons whose place of usual residence was in the four suburbs mentioned above. Of these 1214 had their place of birth listed as New Zealand. I then calculated how many people who were born in New Zealand spent Census night in the specified suburbs. The total was 1202.

Of course there would also be persons born in Australia and living in the area who would identify as Kiwis because of their parentage.

I think that Blue wins this encounter on a TKO at the very least. Sorry, wj, I usually support the local bloke.

 

[TheRiddler]

WJ, so I can get this right (and without wanting to preempt your thoughts or put words in your mouth), are you outright denying that there is a strong vein of incompetence and/or ineptitude in the Waratahs setup, from the board and exec management through operational support, membership and marketing to team coaching and management and finishing up with the game plan and players?

Just want to be clear.