The Rugby Championship 2018
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PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
The test was a sold out a week ago.
I dont expect any changes in the Bok team. Hope full Rassie work on his back three work in the air. The Wallabies game plan nearly work on saturday. Willie is very important for us. He have a lot of flair which can go either way. I am not that worried about 1st phase. Faf kicking is so irritating, he need to leave this to Pollard. We cant give the All Blacks possession, they will hurt us. We need to test their defense.
I dont expect any changes in the Bok team. Hope full Rassie work on his back three work in the air. The Wallabies game plan nearly work on saturday. Willie is very important for us. He have a lot of flair which can go either way. I am not that worried about 1st phase. Faf kicking is so irritating, he need to leave this to Pollard. We cant give the All Blacks possession, they will hurt us. We need to test their defense.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
When the Laws get tweaked post-RWC it'll be a penalty for being too upright in the tackle.......
It'll be interesting to see how AB approach this week: we only get one more crack at them pre-RWC & by that stage everyone will presumably be "keeping their powder dry" so this week they may need to go all-in as I doubt they'll want to be going to Japan having potentially lost three in a row to SA then playing them again first up.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
Francois Louw back in SA, gotta say I'm surprised he didn't play in PE but maybe they thought he needed some extra time to recover from flying London-Brisbane-London a coupla weeks ago? If so there's some thinking there that's not immediately obvious to some of the other RC coaching staffs.......
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^^^^^ WR (World Rugby) Reg 9 trumps Club commitments so I'm thinking the bokke chose not to pick him for Wobs match so he didn't rack up the extra travel.
KiwiM
Arch Winning (36)
Very happy to see that midfield selected and Mo'unga on the bench.
All Blacks team to meet South Africa: Ben Smith, Waisake Naholo, Jack Goodhue, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (c), Sam Cane, Shannon Frizell, Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Codie Taylor, Karl Tu'inukuafe. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Tim Perry, Ofa Tuungafasi, Patrick Tuipulotu, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Richie Mo'unga, Ryan Crotty.
All Blacks team to meet South Africa: Ben Smith, Waisake Naholo, Jack Goodhue, Sonny Bill Williams, Rieko Ioane, Beauden Barrett, Aaron Smith, Kieran Read (c), Sam Cane, Shannon Frizell, Scott Barrett, Sam Whitelock, Owen Franks, Codie Taylor, Karl Tu'inukuafe. Reserves: Nathan Harris, Tim Perry, Ofa Tuungafasi, Patrick Tuipulotu, Ardie Savea, TJ Perenara, Richie Mo'unga, Ryan Crotty.
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
^^^^^^^^ still not a fan of having two non-kicking wingers as IMO the two fullback system we've been using with great success these past ten or so years forces the opposition to think very carefully when & to where they kick. Sure Beaugan can drop back into the short-side wing position but I'd rather have him still up in the line to exploit any turnover that might occur. With Naholo & Ioane out there Pollard will kick long, they'll chase hard & try to isolate the targeted winger or pressure them into a low-percentage play, as they did in Wellywood.
Other than that it's a good side, I think Goodhue outside SBW could be very tasty.
Other than that it's a good side, I think Goodhue outside SBW could be very tasty.
zer0
John Thornett (49)
Yeah the dual strike wingers against the Bokke is significantly riskier than against the Pumas. Hopefully the likes of South Africa, England and Ireland can attack the back three 2009 style and force selections closer to the optimal backline of Mo'unga at first five, B.Smith on the right wing and B.Barrett and fullback. Schmidt might be too smart to do it pre-RWC, but Erasmus and, in particular, Steady Eddie may need the short term wins to go for it.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Perhaps such a system is only necessary when you employ wingers that can be tackled. You seen that fluffybunny run with the ball?
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
zer0 think we got away with it v Pumas mostly 'cos Sanchez who's normally almost up there with Pollard & Sexton long kicking game-wise turned in a shift Bernard Foley probably wouldn't have been happy with.
The problem with using Beaugan to cover the short side v Pollard, at altitude, is that he's got the range to see Beaugan drop back & target the open side instead.
^^^^^^^ Derpus I also seen both get bundled into touch & pressured into errors pretty much every time we've tried it against anyone with a 5/8 who can kick & an 11-14 line who can chase hard & make a first-up tackle if not compete in the air. As above we got away with it in BA, it's a risk & IMO an unnecessary one to hope we get away with it again at Loftus.
The problem with using Beaugan to cover the short side v Pollard, at altitude, is that he's got the range to see Beaugan drop back & target the open side instead.
^^^^^^^ Derpus I also seen both get bundled into touch & pressured into errors pretty much every time we've tried it against anyone with a 5/8 who can kick & an 11-14 line who can chase hard & make a first-up tackle if not compete in the air. As above we got away with it in BA, it's a risk & IMO an unnecessary one to hope we get away with it again at Loftus.
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
Well I will upset Derpus 
again by saying I like the look of this team! I know what WOB is worried about, but like the Goodhue ahead of Crotty so they can gauge the combination, I understand the need to look at these things against a good team. If I was picking I would still probably go for DMac ahead of RM at this stage, mainly could I have a slight nervousness about RM's tackling ability.
I have to say bring on the test and anyone who claims to be a rugby follower in NZ or SA that are not excited and looking forward to this are not real rugby people!!
I still think the 2013 test was the best I have seen since the turn of the century!!
again by saying I like the look of this team! I know what WOB is worried about, but like the Goodhue ahead of Crotty so they can gauge the combination, I understand the need to look at these things against a good team. If I was picking I would still probably go for DMac ahead of RM at this stage, mainly could I have a slight nervousness about RM's tackling ability.I have to say bring on the test and anyone who claims to be a rugby follower in NZ or SA that are not excited and looking forward to this are not real rugby people!!
I still think the 2013 test was the best I have seen since the turn of the century!!
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
CC rugby in SA take a break for this test. All roads in SA leads to Loftus.
South Africa (probable)
15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Francois Louw, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff
South Africa (probable)
15 Willie le Roux, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 Jesse Kriel, 12 Damian de Allende, 11 Aphiwe Dyantyi, 10 Handre Pollard, 9 Faf de Klerk, 8 Francois Louw, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Siya Kolisi (captain), 5 Franco Mostert, 4 Eben Etzebeth, 3 Frans Malherbe, 2 Malcolm Marx, 1 Steven Kitshoff
Dan54
David Wilson (68)
C'mon PB, I not sure if you trying to awaken the Mocker Gods, but I not sure they will fall for that!!
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
I dont expect anything less then a hiding. The win in Wellington was good enough for me.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
The Springbok team to face the All Blacks in Pretoria (in order of position, name and surname, club or provincial team, number of caps and Test points):
15. Willie le Roux (Wasps, England), 49, 60 - 12t
14. Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), 3, 5 - 1t
13. Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls), 35, 45 - 9t
12. Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 32, 15 - 3t
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions), 8, 30 - 6t
10. Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls), 34, 278 - 3t, 52c, 50p, 3d
9. Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), 19, 15 - 3t
8. Francois Louw (Bath, England), 61, 45 - 9t
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers), 41, 20 - 4t
6. Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Stormers), 36, 25 - 5t
5. Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions), 25, 5 - 1t
4. Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers), 72, 15 - 3t
3. Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), 24, 0
2. Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions), 19, 20, - 4t
1. Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), 32, 5 - 1t
Replacements:
16. Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers), 21, 10 - 2t
17. Tendai Mtawarira (DHL Stormers), 106, 10 - 2t
18. Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), 9, 0
19. RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls), 7, 0
20. Sikhumbuzo Notshe (DHL Stormers), 5, 0
21. Embrose Papier (Vodacom Bulls), 3, 0
22. Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), 28, 223 - 2t, 42c, 43p
23. Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers), 2, 0
15. Willie le Roux (Wasps, England), 49, 60 - 12t
14. Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France), 3, 5 - 1t
13. Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls), 35, 45 - 9t
12. Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 32, 15 - 3t
11. Aphiwe Dyantyi (Emirates Lions), 8, 30 - 6t
10. Handré Pollard (Vodacom Bulls), 34, 278 - 3t, 52c, 50p, 3d
9. Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks, England), 19, 15 - 3t
8. Francois Louw (Bath, England), 61, 45 - 9t
7. Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers), 41, 20 - 4t
6. Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Stormers), 36, 25 - 5t
5. Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions), 25, 5 - 1t
4. Eben Etzebeth (DHL Stormers), 72, 15 - 3t
3. Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers), 24, 0
2. Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions), 19, 20, - 4t
1. Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), 32, 5 - 1t
Replacements:
16. Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers), 21, 10 - 2t
17. Tendai Mtawarira (DHL Stormers), 106, 10 - 2t
18. Vincent Koch (Saracens, England), 9, 0
19. RG Snyman (Vodacom Bulls), 7, 0
20. Sikhumbuzo Notshe (DHL Stormers), 5, 0
21. Embrose Papier (Vodacom Bulls), 3, 0
22. Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), 28, 223 - 2t, 42c, 43p
23. Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers), 2, 0
waiopehu oldboy
George Smith (75)
I'm surprised they didn't leave Kriel on the wing, thought he did an xcellent job of containing/ pressuring Ioane in Wellington.
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Peter Johnson (47)
He sure did, but Am is injured and Mapoe is average at best. Better him at 13 with the wings they have, then at wing with the centres they have.
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