The Orc has spoken: Saffas are dirty cheating cvnts!

[Biffo]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

 

[PaarlBok]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

 

[Biffo]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

Spook didn't put quotation marks on words to claim they were the work of someone else - the writer of the article I referred to did that.

JUSTICE SPOOK

 

[Part of the union]

The South Africans are thugs off the ball. They never seem to be happy with just tackling a bloke and moving on. I seem to need to throw in an elbow for good measure or wrestle with the tackled player off the ball. As for what Waugh said, well I think the kiwis are masters at not rolling away and then they show superb fake effort to convince the ref that they are trying to roll away. Also the Kiwis are very good at running retreating defenders into the path way of a scrum half trying to pass the ball to his flyhalf.

 

[PaarlBok]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

Spook didn't put quotation marks on words to claim they were the work of someone else - the writer of the article I referred to did that.

JUSTICE SPOOK

Well put it this way, this one hit all the SA rugby sites

Sport24
Super 14

SA loosies 'cheat'
http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Ru...57c/01-02-2010-09-00/SA_loosies_cheat_-_Waugh

Superrugby

SA flankers cheat - Waugh

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=SA flankers cheat - Waugh&id=331556

SARugby.com

Waugh blasts South African teams

http://www.sarugby.com/news/News/article/sid=12950.html


Hope he enjoy his SA tour part just around the corner.

 

[JJJ]

Crap journalism, that. There won't be any accountability either. They're putting very specific words into Waugh's mouth ("cheat" + "illegal manhandling") which he doesn't seem to have said. If quotation marks are used like that it's to show that that is exactly what someone said. Remove those inserted words and what he said was pretty innocuous.

If I were Phil I'd be pretty pissed off. Actually I'm already pissed off for him. :angryfire: It's no more than I expect from the SA rugby media though.

 

[Blue]

Judged by Phil's demeanour on and off the field in SA he doesn't give a toss what the locals think of him.

Some years ago when I still lived in SA I used to train at a gym that visiting Australian teams used. While most of the players went out of their way to be friendly, Waugh stomped around like grumpy old bastard and wasn't going to talk to anyone.

He built up a bit of a reputation and one of the female staff actually joked with him one day and said there is a new smiling policy in the gym. Smile or leave. Apparently he wasn't too happy.

I'd say he is one of the least liked Aussie players in SA but I reckon it doesn't bug him one bit.

I like this sort of banter. Adds some spice to the contest.

 

[Blue]

If I were Phil I'd be pretty pissed off. Actually I'm already pissed off for him. :angryfire: It's no more than I expect from the SA rugby media though.

To be fair it's all media. Honestly. The crap the Aussie media pulls out of their arse from time to time is every bit as far fetched. It's their job. Unfortunately.

 

[Biffo]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

Spook didn't put quotation marks on words to claim they were the work of someone else - the writer of the article I referred to did that.

JUSTICE SPOOK

Well put it this way, this one hit all the SA rugby sites

Sport24
Super 14

SA loosies 'cheat'
http://www.sport24.co.za/Content/Ru...57c/01-02-2010-09-00/SA_loosies_cheat_-_Waugh

Superrugby

SA flankers cheat - Waugh

http://www.supersport.com/rugby/article.aspx?headline=SA flankers cheat - Waugh&id=331556

SARugby.com

Waugh blasts South African teams

http://www.sarugby.com/news/News/article/sid=12950.html


Hope he enjoy his SA tour part just around the corner.

So, if many (rather than one) Saffas misquote what a man says, they must all be correct?

 

[Spook]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

I made the mistake of thinking you had a sense of humour. :lmao:

 

[Spook]

Thanks for that reference. Waugh nowhere accuses the South Africans of "cheating" or "illegal man-handling". Doesn't stop the writer (presumably a SouthAfrican?) of the article from attributing the words to Waugh and then having a good old whinge, does it?

JUSTICE 7 BLUE!!

The poster who started this thread dont help your case much. Maybe Spokie is a Saffer afterall. :nta:

Spook didn't put quotation marks on words to claim they were the work of someone else - the writer of the article I referred to did that.

JUSTICE SPOOK

haha thanks :lmao:

 

[El Barto]

Dunno what your question is, fact is the job of the opensiders was to poach and slow down. Every single team have these specialist and he knows that well. To start picking on the Saffers about the rule change is a bit far fetch and the heading of this thread is just way beyond thinking.

Geuss I start a thread here and calling teams or countries players cynts where I'll end?

Are you writing that those Bakkies belts are the guilty parties and Bakkies is their victim?

Abso-freaking-lutely :yay

 

[Scarfman]

It's spelled c - u - n - t - s.

Try it. I prefer the results.

 

[Ash]

OK.

fluffybunnys!

 

[PaarlBok]

OK so the dust has settle , so lets get on with the law. The Orc has just wake up the Saffer lot and good to see the breakdown part is the big talking point at the moment in our game.

Some Snppets on this from Keo

Heinrich Brussouw the star of the breakdowns in 2009

Brüssow wary of power-packed refs

Heinrich Brüssow believes the new law interpretations relating to the breakdown could give referees too much control.

With the new breakdown and scrum law interpretations introduced this season, the referees will be stricter at these facets of play – an initiative aimed at improving the flow of the game.

However, from what has been seen thus far during the pre-season, teams have been struggling to adjust to these interpretations and have been frequently penalised. This has disturbed the flow of the game, rather than improving it.

A main reason for this is that the laws now favour the attacking side and make it more difficult for the defending team to contest possession. Brüssow is one player who’s contesting technique could be hampered because of this.

The Cheetahs openside flank said the law interpretations need sufficient time to be assessed, but added that he felt this would allow referees to have too much influence on the game.

‘If it works, then great. But if it’s spoiling the game, then the referees need to reassess these law interpretations. My only worries are that there will be too many penalties awarded and referees will have too much power,’ Brüssow told keo.co.za.

‘For example, say the Cheetahs played the Crusaders, and the Cheetahs managed to steal their ball from the breakdown regularly, the referee will automatically believe there is something wrong because the Crusaders are considered the stronger team. He will then look to penalise us. This could have a negative impact.’

Brüssow was, however, open to the idea of the new interpretations.

‘In the beginning it’s going to be difficult to play according to the new law interpretations,’ he said. ‘But the idea is to improve the flow of the game, so we have to give it a chance and see how it goes in the opening weeks of the Super 14.’

Cheetahs loosehead Wian du Preez told this website yesterday that they are working on strategy to adapt to the new law interpretations. Brüssow, however, doesn’t believe he should change his technique.

‘I spoke to [referee] Jonathan Kaplan about this, and he pointed out that the way referees officiate the game will still differ,’ Brussow said. ‘In one case, a referee might penalise me for my contesting technique at the breakdown, while the other might allow it.

‘So in that case, I think I can still continue to play my game. I just have to see how much freedom I get from the referee.’

Stormers

Coetzee reveals breakdown strategy

With the new law interpretations favouring attacking teams, the Stormers have resorted to clapping their hands at the breakdown.

The biggest talking point of the pre-season has been the new emphasis at the breakdown. The Stormers have experienced some teething problems, the Cheetahs have voiced their concerns, and Sharks coach John Plumtree has even gone as far to say referee Craig Joubert killed the second half of Saturday’s game at Newlands.

Allister Coetzee said his side has to improve in this area. Despite winning both pre-season matches comfortably, the Stormers have been heavily penalised at the ruck, and that stat needs to change before their first Super 14 match against the Lions.

Coetzee said they’ve had to think outside the box in order to show the referees they’re competing within the laws. At the moment, the attacking team is favoured because defending teams are not releasing the tackled player before competing on the deck.

‘We’ve gone back and looked at our performance, and it comes down to decisions at the breakdown,’ the Stormers coach told keo.co.za. ‘We have to work out a plan as referees are looking for that daylight between the tackler and tackled player when they go to ground.

‘I thought Francois Louw was wrongly penalised last week, and maybe it’s something the referees also need to get used to. We’ve invented a way of letting refs know we’ve let go of the tackled player.

‘In the case of Francois, he clapped to show the ref he didn’t have his hands on the tackled player, and then he competed for the ball. It’s something that could be very effective.’

Waratahs and Australia openside Phil Waugh has stated South Africa teams won’t survive under the new interpretations. In 2009, Springbok No 6 Heinrich Brussow made an art form out of riding the tackle and stealing possession in one movement. Brussow will have to adapt under the new interpretations, but who’s to say he can’t?

Coetzee isn’t concerned with Waugh’s criticism and believes the Stormers will adapt accordingly.

‘I don’t know why he [Waugh] would say that, because South African teams all contest well at the breakdown. Brussowtjie was a big hit last year, nobody could touch him. The laws have changed, but you can’t say we can’t adjust.

‘We’re in the early stages of these new interpretations, and we have to evolve as a team. The refs are also learning, so it will take some time to adapt.’

Personally I think this law should fit the Stormers very well. Schalk not a specialist fetcher and only Francois Louw that needs to adapt. Myself think the Stormers trio of Louw, Vermeulen & Schalk is pretty effective as good defenders and counter ruckers, so not expecting them to struggle and they will love the new law in fact when attacking.

The Brutes
Superrugby

Bulls committed to 'changing habits'

The Vodacom Bulls have committed themselves to “changing habits” at the breakdown to adjust to the new set of Sanzar laws for this year’s Vodacom Super 14.

With penalties flowing in pre-season games for players killing the ball, now that referees have been instructed to favour the attacking team, the Bulls called in top South African referee Craig Joubert to help them right their own wrongs.

While Bulls coach Frans Ludeke sees an initial strict phase, as always is the case in the start of the competition, he has already committed his side to adapting to the laws to suit their own aim, and help in their defence of the title they won last year.

After their victory in 2007, when they became the first South African side to win the competition, the Bulls were initially against law changes at the time, and it counted against them as they slipped up in their defence of their title in 2008.

Last year they embraced the law variations with glee and it showed as they romped home to the title in stunning fashion. Ludeke hopes that this year will be the same.

“The referees won’t budge we will just have to adjust. There is no grey area for us,” Ludeke said.

“ The guys have certainly grasped the laws but it is a matter of changing habits. We can only get used to them by drilling and playing time and to which team adapts the quickest.

“We are certainly going to see many penalties going against teams for old habits but the quicker a team can sharpen up in that area and be smarter it will definitely benefit you.”

Ludeke added that the challenge for teams would now be to turn the theory into practice on a regular basis.

“For all the teams that will be the challenge not to get on the wrong side of the whistle. For us it is to use what we have learnt to our benefit and not get penalized too much,” he added.

The Bulls have the luxury now of playing either a back row focussed on ball carrying – with Danie Rossouw, Pedrie Wannenburg and Dewald Potgieter who can easily slot into those roles, or to look to fetchers, where Derick Kuun and Deon Stegmann can forage on the ground. In Polokwane, the use of two opensiders certainly played in the Bulls favour, but Ludeke is intent on using the balance of his back row depending on the opposition he will face.

“We had a great benefit against the Lions using two fetchers, but we haven’t seen the other side of the picture yet. Lucky for us, we have the luxury of playing both ways -- be it two opensiders or the big ball carriers, we have enough of both. It will come down to horses for courses when we make our decision.”

 

[cyclopath]

OK so the dust has settle , so lets get on with the law. The Orc has just wake up the Saffer lot and good to see the breakdown part is the big talking point at the moment in our game.



Waratahs and Australia openside Phil Waugh has stated South Africa teams won’t survive under the new interpretations. In 2009, Springbok No 6 Heinrich Brussow made an art form out of riding the tackle and stealing possession in one movement. Brussow will have to adapt under the new interpretations, but who’s to say he can’t?

Coetzee isn’t concerned with Waugh’s criticism and believes the Stormers will adapt accordingly.

‘I don’t know why he [Waugh] would say that, because South African teams all contest well at the breakdown. Brussowtjie was a big hit last year, nobody could touch him. The laws have changed, but you can’t say we can’t adjust.



Personally I think this law should fit the Stormers very well. Schalk not a specialist fetcher and only Francois Louw that needs to adapt. Myself think the Stormers trio of Louw, Vermeulen & Schalk is pretty effective as good defenders and counter ruckers, so not expecting them to struggle and they will love the new law in fact when attacking.

Good to see Coetzee can or does actually read. Waugh DIDN'T say SA teams wouldn't survive, he said they might find it harder than some others, and he specifically DID say they would adjust.
Personally, the SA loosies have changed the way they play recently anyway, and I can't see them struggling too much.

 

[Biffo]

Thanks, Cyclo. Saved me the trouble. PB is maintaining a very steadfast unmoving keyboard on the subject of South African invention of what others say or write - to support a South African right to misrepresent anyone they like (or don't like ) whenever they want?

JUSTICE ALL NON-SAFFAS

 

[PaarlBok]

Vok Biff, you sure you aint a state attorney? :lmao: :lmao:

Try my best to get the wheels back on track and here we go again. :nta:

 

[Biffo]

Vok Biff, you sure you aint a state attorney? :lmao: :lmao:

Try my best to get the wheels back on track and here we go again. :nta:

 

[Scarfman]

You're doing well Paarl, stick to the program.

By the way, someone called you a name about 10 posts ago, I removed it, and now they've quit the forum.

:binkybaby