The Official Australian 7s Thread
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Having watched Moraghan nearly all his life I would say he will be a very good sevens player. In addition to reasonable speed he thinks - which is far more than a lot of others. He is a very astute rugby player. Anoher player that should go well if given the chance is Jonno Lance. Both are at UQ and showing good development since leaving school.
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Bob Davidson (42)
Lee Grant said:
Lee,
Richard Kingi was the backup 10 to Matt To'omua for the Qld II schoolboys in 2006, and I thought he was a handy player then. I am pretty sure that he made the U20 OZ squad to Wales this year, or if not, was in the mix right to the end, so he does have some 15 a side form. I heard that he got two MOTM awards in Dubai.
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Agree on Morahan and Lance. Both will be very good 15 a side senior rugby players in time.
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John Eales (66)
Yeah - by backup I meant Kingi was in the U/20 squad but not in the 1st XV.
I saw him for Qld II Schools in 2006 but can't remember his play and made no notes about him in my programme.
I just wondered how he went in senior rugby this year. He looks like a good player as far as stepping and passing are concerned.
I saw him for Qld II Schools in 2006 but can't remember his play and made no notes about him in my programme.
I just wondered how he went in senior rugby this year. He looks like a good player as far as stepping and passing are concerned.
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TOCC
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i dont see it as a abomination, i see it as a fantastic result, not great for Australia but fantastic for the US..
Its results like these which truly indicate that rugby is growing globally, even though it is sevens it is still a foundation for the 15 man game.
even Portugal had good wins over Wales, Samoa and giant killers Kenya
Its results like these which truly indicate that rugby is growing globally, even though it is sevens it is still a foundation for the 15 man game.
even Portugal had good wins over Wales, Samoa and giant killers Kenya
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Good point TOCC. I don't see anything negative about it.
I guess I would feel a bit different if Oz took it more seriously and had more success. Then we would have some kind of meaningful ranking and could look forward to winning the odd tournament. On the other hand we would feel losses more keenly. Whatever, there would be more interest.
Right now I feel like I do when I watch a young Oz alpine skier at the Winter Olympics - not expecting a medal from them, except infrequently, and usually being outclassed by the real experts.
But nevertheless I like watching Oz play 7s to see how promising young players are performing; albeit not performing all the elements that are necessary for the 15 man game. I also like watching the Fijians when they are in good form.
You could argue that other nations take it no more seriously than we do, but you only have to read some Kiwi rugby mags to see how seriously they take it.
Why don't we perform at 7s as well as other nations when we fight above our weight in the 15 man game? The short answer is that we are not good enough.
I guess I would feel a bit different if Oz took it more seriously and had more success. Then we would have some kind of meaningful ranking and could look forward to winning the odd tournament. On the other hand we would feel losses more keenly. Whatever, there would be more interest.
Right now I feel like I do when I watch a young Oz alpine skier at the Winter Olympics - not expecting a medal from them, except infrequently, and usually being outclassed by the real experts.
But nevertheless I like watching Oz play 7s to see how promising young players are performing; albeit not performing all the elements that are necessary for the 15 man game. I also like watching the Fijians when they are in good form.
You could argue that other nations take it no more seriously than we do, but you only have to read some Kiwi rugby mags to see how seriously they take it.
Why don't we perform at 7s as well as other nations when we fight above our weight in the 15 man game? The short answer is that we are not good enough.
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TOCC
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South africas side is a professional side apparently
Some of those US & kenyan players are big boys, built like digby
Some of those US & kenyan players are big boys, built like digby
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Well, the Oz boys are paid but not a lot.
USA 28 - Oz 26
USA were 21-0 ahead after 5-6 mins after our blokes thought they were playing touch. Then just before the interval Aidan Toua did a nice run down the wing to dish inside for Kingi to score.
Morahan went beserk after oranges scoring two tries and setting up another for Oz to lead 26-21 but after a missed intercept that would have sealed the game for Oz and a later missed tackle USA scored to tie it up.
Then the USA kicker drop kicked a pearler of a conversion to win.
RSA 17 - Oz 7
Oz played a lot better against the fancied Saffer team who later won the final, beating NZ, but were outclassed in the end. One of the best Oz efforts was a tackle by Willie Bishop to save a try being scored in the corner. If he saw that Willie's club coach at the Rats would have been astonished because tackling was optional last winter for Willie.
Was funny to hear the Kiwi accents of the Oz players talking tactics with Mick O'Connor at half-time.
Bowl Final France 21 - Oz 12
The score looks close but this was one of the worst performances by an Oz 7s team that I have seen and I've seen a few. They looked unfit and slow and Brown's cows came to mind. The touch footie player DDM looked useless.
Was good to see Pete Betham running around the park again in this game but he didn't make much of an impression. He looked slower than he was at school but it's hard to judge foot speed in 7s when you don't necessarily see them running in a straight line and often waiting for supports.
If Kingi was the best Oz player at Dubai, Morahan was head and shoulders above any other Oz player in George. He's big and was one of the few Oz players with a bit of pace. On that small sample he is a lot better prospect for the Reds than I would have thought last year at the Schools tournament in Canberra.
These are the only 3 games I saw. For other results over the weekend click on:
http://www.irb.com/irbsevens/edition=2/fixturesresults.html
USA 28 - Oz 26
USA were 21-0 ahead after 5-6 mins after our blokes thought they were playing touch. Then just before the interval Aidan Toua did a nice run down the wing to dish inside for Kingi to score.
Morahan went beserk after oranges scoring two tries and setting up another for Oz to lead 26-21 but after a missed intercept that would have sealed the game for Oz and a later missed tackle USA scored to tie it up.
Then the USA kicker drop kicked a pearler of a conversion to win.
RSA 17 - Oz 7
Oz played a lot better against the fancied Saffer team who later won the final, beating NZ, but were outclassed in the end. One of the best Oz efforts was a tackle by Willie Bishop to save a try being scored in the corner. If he saw that Willie's club coach at the Rats would have been astonished because tackling was optional last winter for Willie.
Was funny to hear the Kiwi accents of the Oz players talking tactics with Mick O'Connor at half-time.
Bowl Final France 21 - Oz 12
The score looks close but this was one of the worst performances by an Oz 7s team that I have seen and I've seen a few. They looked unfit and slow and Brown's cows came to mind. The touch footie player DDM looked useless.
Was good to see Pete Betham running around the park again in this game but he didn't make much of an impression. He looked slower than he was at school but it's hard to judge foot speed in 7s when you don't necessarily see them running in a straight line and often waiting for supports.
If Kingi was the best Oz player at Dubai, Morahan was head and shoulders above any other Oz player in George. He's big and was one of the few Oz players with a bit of pace. On that small sample he is a lot better prospect for the Reds than I would have thought last year at the Schools tournament in Canberra.
These are the only 3 games I saw. For other results over the weekend click on:
http://www.irb.com/irbsevens/edition=2/fixturesresults.html
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
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Yeah he played quite well in the games I saw and our results would have been worse without him, though he was pinged a couple of times when trying to fish the ball out, but losing his balance momentarily and getting his weight on his hands before he could rock back.
Don't know that he will get a lot of time at the Tahs and it may be best if he stays with the 7s for a couple more tournaments, at least. He doesn't have a Tahs S14 contract - just a JW (or Academy) contract.
Hickey could drag him into the S14 squad because he has long term injuries to 2 props but it makes sense to have props replaced by props in case Baxter, Palmer and Benn R go down.
Of a sudden LHP Benn Robinson is a VIP - but I digress.
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TOCC
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i meant in terms of there training and preparation that they get, australia are rather disjointed where as the south african side train as a professional outfit, they also target the best players for the side rather then a development pathwayLee Grant said:
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rugbywhisperer
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I must amend my feeling on Moraghan.
After watching the Dubai games he seems to have slowed condiserably. I haven't seen him play for over a year now and he certainly lacks the explosive speed he had a schoolboy. Still a very astute player though.
After watching the Dubai games he seems to have slowed condiserably. I haven't seen him play for over a year now and he certainly lacks the explosive speed he had a schoolboy. Still a very astute player though.
disco
Chilla Wilson (44)
On the subject of Ella & sevens rugby I have just been watching the Dubai sevens on fox & our sevens side could really do with some Aboriginals.
Sevens & AFL are two sports that are custom made for the Aboriginies as they love nothing better than running the ball & making defenders look stupid.
Naza has a point about our sevens side they don't really know how to beat a defender one on one & apart from blokes like Beale, Quade Cooper,James O'Conner & Drew Mitchell we don't seem to have as many backline players with brilliant footwork.
We have some very good finishers like AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Turner, Ioane, Hynes & Tuqiri but these blokes usually beat defenders with angles a good swerve & power.
The last Wallaby that used to make defenders look stupid was Andrew Walker who could forget that try against the Moari.
Even in the NRL the best steppers are Preston Campbell & Mat Bowen although blokes like Gasnier,Slater & Brett Stewart are very elusive.
Does the ARU have any indigenous programs like th AFL? Surely sevens is a way of encouraging young Aboriginals into our code.
Sevens & AFL are two sports that are custom made for the Aboriginies as they love nothing better than running the ball & making defenders look stupid.
Naza has a point about our sevens side they don't really know how to beat a defender one on one & apart from blokes like Beale, Quade Cooper,James O'Conner & Drew Mitchell we don't seem to have as many backline players with brilliant footwork.
We have some very good finishers like AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper), Turner, Ioane, Hynes & Tuqiri but these blokes usually beat defenders with angles a good swerve & power.
The last Wallaby that used to make defenders look stupid was Andrew Walker who could forget that try against the Moari.
Even in the NRL the best steppers are Preston Campbell & Mat Bowen although blokes like Gasnier,Slater & Brett Stewart are very elusive.
Does the ARU have any indigenous programs like th AFL? Surely sevens is a way of encouraging young Aboriginals into our code.
Major Spliff Biggins
Fred Wood (13)
disco said:
Do they also love being stereotyped?
disco
Chilla Wilson (44)
When it's a good thing? Yeah probably, it's a fact that Aboriginals have good footwork that's why 12% of the AFL player group are Indigenous yet only 2% of the national population.
I see your living in England Spliff so I can understand why you think I'm treading on shakey ground with my comments. As they tend to be a little over the top in the UK on what's politically correct.
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rugbywhisperer
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Does anyone else feel as i do that they (Aust) are playing the incorrect player (physiology ) in the 7's.
It seems to me you need 3 quickies, a distributor (these 4 must be very fit) and three very good endurance players.
Our play just seems to be overun by longer lasting players and we are short on quickies.
It seems to me you need 3 quickies, a distributor (these 4 must be very fit) and three very good endurance players.
Our play just seems to be overun by longer lasting players and we are short on quickies.
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