The Israel Folau saga

[Rugbynutter39]

Perhaps, but there's a long way between a warning and dismissal from employment/termination of contract. Normally in our society the law doesn't jump from almost nothing for a first offence to the maximum penalty for a second offence. That may or may not turn out to be a problem for RA down the track.

Actually you are wrong as for the same reasons IF looking to be sacked - as given damage would do to company's public image if it was in the press I definitely would have been sacked if I did the same thing again.

 

[Derpus]

I love this bit:

We were having a feed … and at one point he just threw his hands gently up in the air and he said: ‘Alan, I don’t know what this is about. What am I supposed to have done here’?”

Nothing mate. Absolutely nothing.

 

[James Pettifer]

The thing is here that if they did not terminate him and just did a fine and/or suspension there is no reason he would not do it again. He has shown zero acceptance that his employer has the right to stop him posting which after last warning is very clear, and no reason to believe he would not continue to do this. That is the problem as there is no clear acceptance even after the verdict of doing anything wrong or indeed needing to abide by RA requests (requests which he said he previously agreed to).

Sorry I know if I had done the same thing after a warning for posting something like this on say linkedin or facebook I would be sacked by the company i work for which is a large US multinational. What is the difference - IF a big high profile public figure and therefore able to be excluded by such rules by his employer..?

Same here. My US based company advertises that it gets 100% on the HRC survey on LGBTQ workplace equality and it is clear they expectations they set with regards to discrimination and social media.

 

[Rugbynutter39]

Same here. My US based company advertises that it gets 100% on the HRC survey on LGBTQ workplace equality and it is clear they expectations they set with regards to discrimination and social media.

Yep and after a warning and did this again I would be sacked without question as in breach of employment conditions. As the US company is a large well known IT company who through HR sends out messages to staff that any discrimination will not be tolerated and openly supports the LGBTQ community.

Major public facing brands (such as what Wallaby brand is) will not accept anything less from employees given the damage it can do to their brand. Sorry AJ has not spent much time working for major Corporates on a tight leash as radio stations are not exactly on the same page here.

 

[wamberal]

The Parrot does need any input from "major corporates". He is a major corporate in his own right. Squawk, squawk.

 

[formerflanker]

I love this bit:

Nothing mate. Absolutely nothing.

Actually, that's a very important question because it leads to many different answers.
Some that spring to mind - did he breach the generic CoC; or breach his individual contract; maybe breach a verbal undertaking with The Goth; which verbal undertaking (Castle or Cheika) is involved; was it a high level breach or a low level breach.
That's at least 5 things he may have done, and the tribunal's 3 days of discussions bear testament to the complexity of the case.
So yes, it was an intelligent question.

 

[Braveheart81]

Some that spring to mind - did he breach the generic CoC; or breach his individual contract; .

Both because the CoC is incorporated into his employment contract.

The CoC sets the rules in that regard and the contract says that those are the rules that the employee is bound by.

 

[James Pettifer]

Actually, that's a very important question because it leads to many different answers.
Some that spring to mind - did he breach the generic CoC; or breach his individual contract; maybe breach a verbal undertaking with The Goth; which verbal undertaking (Castle or Cheika) is involved; was it a high level breach or a low level breach.
That's at least 5 things he may have done, and the tribunal's 3 days of discussions bear testament to the complexity of the case.
So yes, it was an intelligent question.

I suspect the case was very simple from RA's perspective.

Here is the code of conduct. Here is where Izzy breached it last year. Here are the minutes of the discussions we had with him. Here is where Izzy breached the same section again this year.

I suspect that lots of the time was from Izzy's side arguing that he has either freedom of speech or freedom of expression of religion. Time doesn't necessarily mean complex.

 

[sidelineview]

Yeah but he can't say it (in public) he can only believe it.

It's not rocket surgery.

That's the point of difference isn't it?

 

[Braveheart81]

ASICS have dumped Folau as a brand ambassador.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ paywalled.

 

[formerflanker]

ASICS have dumped Folau as a brand ambassador.

They said "shoo".

 

[Strewthcobber]

Looks like he's already deleted all his ASICS Instagram posts, but left up the religeous ones

 

[dillyboy]

And now Mundine is chiming in - apparently Izzy's in trouble not for spouting hate speech but because we're racist & he's black....

FFS - if we were racist our team would look very different

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby...story/75ccd56e1a120957c377c47405227c60#.go722

 

[sidelineview]

And now Mundine is chiming in - apparently Izzy's in trouble not for spouting hate speech but because we're racist & he's black..

FFS - if we were racist our team would look very different

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby...story/75ccd56e1a120957c377c47405227c60#.go722

Disregard what him and Beattie say.

 

[Slim 293]

Disregard what him and Beattie say.

Add them to the list - Alan Jones, Mark Latham, Andrew Bolt, Miranda Devine.............

 

[Slim 293]

It is understood Folau was grilled for hours at a time by the panel and RA’s legal team and he spoke from the heart.

The Herald understands Folau told the room he would have no hesitation posting a similar religious view again, which aligns with the fact he has not taken down the Instagram post in 28 days.

That's the sound of his contract being torn up..........


https://www.smh.com.au/sport/rugby-union/folau-dumped-by-sponsor-asics-20190508-p51lcy.html

 

[Quick Hands]

Actually you are wrong as for the same reasons IF looking to be sacked - as given damage would do to company's public image if it was in the press I definitely would have been sacked if I did the same thing again.

No, I'm not wrong, and you'd definitely have recourse through the courts.

 

[Quick Hands]

And now Mundine is chiming in - apparently Izzy's in trouble not for spouting hate speech but because we're racist & he's black..

FFS - if we were racist our team would look very different

https://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby...story/75ccd56e1a120957c377c47405227c60#.go722

Although overwhelmingly those in positions of power and authority are distinctly upper middle class anglos. Not much cultural diversity in this lot.

• Cameron Clyne Chairman.
• Dr Brett Robinson Deputy Chairman.
• Raelene Castle Chief Executive.
• Pip Marlow Director.
• Paul McLean MBE Director.
• Hayden Rorke Director.
• Ann Sherry Director.
• Philip Waugh Director.

https://www.rugbyau.com/about/about us/board

 

[Dismal Pillock]

I love this bit:

We were having a feed … and at one point he just threw his hands gently up in the air and he said: ‘Alan, I don’t know what this is about. What am I supposed to have done here’?”​

Nothing mate. Absolutely nothing.

So Jones, who is gay, loves it when Izzy bashes the gays? wft. I'm confused. Where is Jones whole statement so I can reword it to my liking.