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The IRB is getting too big for its boots

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Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
The following appears in the SMH today:
Fuimaono-Sapolu arrived for the hearing on the 38th floor of Auckland's Vero building with his mother, father, sister and toddler nephew in tow.
He was dressed in traditional Samoan dress and walked into the hearing room holding his nephew.
He is currently suspended from playing all rugby.
He said he did not know how he could respond to the IRB's submissions when it arrived in the form of 600 pages just two hours before the hearing.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/r...olute-liars-20111005-1l85x.html#ixzz1Zser0mwb

Before I launch into the IRB I have to acknowledge that F-S is quoted elsewhere as saying that he did not receive notice of the hearing so there may be a factual dispute here.

The fact that the IRB is able to generate 600 pages about this issue is a farce.

If they truly think that the charge warrants 600 pages of "submissions" - not evidence but arguments as to the consequences of the evidence - then they have to provide more than 2 hours notice in order to give the bloke procedural fairness.

I know from personal experience how one eyed and biased judiciaries tend to be - but usually they know enough of the laws of natural justice to avoid elementary mistakes like not providing the accused with sufficient time to prepare his response to the submissions let alone to call evidence in response.

Then we have this ridiculous sideshow concerning advertising on mouthguards....what about brand mit de drei stripes...the swoosh... kooga...under armour...canterbury: do they pay licensing fees? if so to whom? do they, for instance, pay a licensing fee to Samao in respect of eaxh player who wears their boots? Personally, I doubt it. My bet is that the IRB cops a backhander from each of those major companies.

My recollection is that Beale wears a moutguard in the colours of the aboriginal flag: that presumably infringes the sponsorship rights since no one, whoever might be fingered for the funds, has paid to permit him to wear that mouthguard.

Its no wonder the the NZRU has said they may not play in 2015.

...and then the IRB CEO comes out and says the historically best team in the world for 75% of the time between 1987 and 2011 (and about 100% of the time prior to that) is not essential to the RWC. He's either a fool or he was appointed on the basis that he reflected the arrogance of his employer.

Lets call the IRBs bluff!
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
It's already been mentioned multiple times, but they've been so strict with such minor incidents yet somehow fail to punish England who were actually caught deliberately CHEATING in a match...

and before there was an IRB there was the RFU who ran the world game: the Jeremy Softbottom QCs of this world are here to show us that we are merely colonies: it would help if NZ had not reintroduced imperial honours.....
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
In the olden days the referees socks were blue with white tops - the same colour as worn by England: the refs were an outpost of the RFU
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I can tell you that in 2003 when the IRB were hunting for Judiciary officers they would not accept the nomination of non QCs in Australia
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
That doesn't even address the issues over a team. I guess they can overlook such issues when the offending nation happens to be the wealthiest union in the world. So much is said about the spirit of rugby but those must only be words.

It is a bit rich when you coach kids the value of fair play only to have the worlds governing body of the sport completely disregard it.

Easy to bitch about the IRB but the admin of rugby in Australia is not that great either.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Eliota has said that the company that did Alesana's and Manu's mouthguards actually approached all the clubs in England and he's implied that almost all the guys will be wearing this including guys like Mike Tindall plays at Gloucester with Eliota. They are all professionally fitted and moulded and as he's also said that they weren't supplied with any mouthguards from the IRB themselves, you have to wonder exactly what the IRB are getting out of whatever sponsorship they may have with whoever is supposed to be supplying them with mouthguards if the players haven't actually been supplied with mouthguards at all!

Eliota also said that he isn't even paid to wear the mouthguard.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Before I launch into the IRB I have to acknowledge that F-S is quoted elsewhere as saying that he did not receive notice of the hearing so there may be a factual dispute here.

I think Eliota had no knowledge of the original hearing which he missed but has tweeted today that he only received the 600 pages 2 hrs before today's hearing which he has attended and is currently adjourned.
 

Baldric

Jim Clark (26)
For me the choice of mouthguard is like the choice of what jocks you wear. You wear a mouthguard to protect your teeth and you choose a brand based on comfort and fit. Most of the time the thing is in your mouth anyway. How far can they take it. What if a player has a pair of Bonds jocks on with BONDS displayed on the label. They are taking it a bit far.
 
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08umema

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As mentioned above it is an absolute disgrace to fine someone for a brand infrigement and not a team caught cheating. The IRB gave the company free advertising as one of the Pommy papers ended up putting a blown up image of Alesana wearing the mouthguard on its backpage. How idiotic are these guys?
 

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
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@ Baldric

Exactly!

You can identify what brand of boots the players wear on the field too.

It would be different if the mouthguard had Coca-Cola emblazoned across it, but it isn't. It's the brand of the mouthguard, not a 3rd party advertisement.
 
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08umema

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@ Baldric

Exactly!

You can identify what brand of boots the players wear on the field too.

It would be different if the mouthguard had Coca-Cola emblazoned across it, but it isn't. It's the brand of the mouthguard, not a 3rd party advertisement.

Exactly right. It's not like he ran it over to the camera and pointed it out. He was fiddling around with it in his mouth as you do when the game is stopped.
 

Antony

Alex Ross (28)
I can tell you that in 2003 when the IRB were hunting for Judiciary officers they would not accept the nomination of non QCs in Australia

Just out of interest, what do you mean by this? I don't doubt the truth of it, but surely favouring QCs was due to their expertise rather than any allegiance to the mother land. Or have I misunderstood?
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
The IOC and FIFA inspired opulence of self importance by the Sir Nigel Softbottoms in the IRB. My favourite topic but I will resist reposting my previous satire about fines for unauthorised shoelaces and going to a night club with an unironed shirt. How is the mouthguard thingee (and the Wallaroos advance on the haka) worth $10k, and and cynical ball tampering worth "no pudding for a day"? Guess the $20 k from mouthguardgate will pay for the briefs to prepare the 600 pages to hang another guilty bastard.

On to my second favourite topic, not saying I totally condone the tweeting thing, but perhaps if the IRB were genuinely concerned about the geme being brought into dispute, then they should start withdrawing many of the media accreditations from some of the reporters covering the tournament (again the feelings of many Gaggerland Netizens on the inadequecy of the media is well articulated on a couple of threads here.
 

spectator

Bob Davidson (42)
Would it be easy for OZ and NZ to lobby other countries and change the composition of the IRB board? Can't believe what has gone on this last week or so......
 
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08umema

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Would it be easy for OZ and NZ to lobby other countries and change the composition of the IRB board? Can't believe what has gone on this last week or so......

Good question, I'd also like to know. If this keeps up we may see a 'Super League' scenario. Or maybe I am overreacting. Or is it over-thinking?
 

Thomond78

Colin Windon (37)
I think Eliota had no knowledge of the original hearing which he missed but has tweeted today that he only received the 600 pages 2 hrs before today's hearing which he has attended and is currently adjourned.

Balls, he didn't. The Samoan RU knew about it, and turned up. They tried to contact him, as well as the IRB; the IRB accepted that.

This guy has been retweeting homophobic abuse and threats to a ref, as well as making his own accusations of racism and bias. He's now trying to play the victim. Don't fall for it.

BTW; the regulations are 400 pages. They'd be sending a complete copy, as well as complete copies of the Tournament regulations and all statements. Those are what get sent in a citing. But the charge sheet specifies the exact regulation broken, so he knows which page it is. Anything less than the whole lot and he'd be complaining about that, too.
 

Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Balls, he didn't. The Samoan RU knew about it, and turned up. They tried to contact him, as well as the IRB; the IRB accepted that.

This guy has been retweeting homophobic abuse and threats to a ref, as well as making his own accusations of racism and bias. He's now trying to play the victim. Don't fall for it.

BTW; the regulations are 400 pages. They'd be sending a complete copy, as well as complete copies of the Tournament regulations and all statements. Those are what get sent in a citing. But the charge sheet specifies the exact regulation broken, so he knows which page it is. Anything less than the whole lot and he'd be complaining about that, too.

The Samoan Union is in avery tough position. No matter if they agree with Eliota, the IRB is still the hand that feeds them so they are very wary about biting it. Not to mention that it really isn't in our nature to rock the boat too much.

Eliota has tweeted some pretty harsh things about Owens but I don't think he's ever made any reference to his sexuality. Owens did that himself on his Facebook page.

Eliota's interview on Campbell Live was pretty good in that he explained his own rationale in calling Owens 'racist'. He basically said that refs have pre-conceived ideas about Manu Samoa and how they play eg. dumb rugby or thugs or violent etc. After watching Samoa get penalties and cards for years in instances like Paul Williams yellow card against Namibia, I think he has a point. Wallaby fans probably have a similiar gripe with guys like Baxter at scrums.

Incidents like the mouthguard fine vs England's cheating, turn-around times for teams, how the Scottish team was dealth with after their last pool game, the poor reffing decisions that go against these teams in big games.....I think Eliota has a right to feel agreived and this may be the only way those concerns can be taken seriously because it's getting so much publicity.

While they may not agree with everything he's said or how he's said it, I'd bet there are more than a few other players and other unions who are quietly pretty happy about some of the things Eliota is saying.
 
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