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The impending Hooper vs Pocock Dilemma

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Joeleee

Ted Fahey (11)


Hmm, I have to say, there would be merit in starting with both, and then you can decide who to take off depending on how the game is in the later stages. i.e. if they Wallabies have a lot of possession, keep Hooper on to take advantage of his ball in hand skills. If they are defending doggedly, keep Pocock on to get turnovers/have a 97% tackling completion(!!!). In short, I don't really have an answer to your question.
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
From optastats on ESPN

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Bullrush

Geoff Shaw (53)
Personally I think your off the mark BDA.

The attacking roles players play will depend on their strengths. To say Pocock is a good attacker because he runs more, but just runs tighter and doesn't make breaks because of that is flawed.

Why does he run tighter?

Personally, if I was a coach structuring a team and I was telling one player to run tight and one to run loose it would be due to the fact that I don't see the tight runner capable of making many breaks, and I want him doing the grunt work, whilst I see another player capable of making breaks and I don't want him wasted doing grunt work which we can get any average attacker to do.

Now of course that doesn't mean it applies in this case because we are talking about 2 different coached teams using different tactics. BUT, if Pocock is runner inside the 10 channel a lot, and another Brumbies forward is running outside the 10 channel a bit, I'd be confident that is the reason.

I don't think it's a misconception that Pocock's not a strong attacking player at all. He plays like another tight forward in attack a lot, he doesn't put himself in the position to be an attacking threat so why would people ever see him as one? Now that may be down to coaching direction. Or it in fact may be down to himself thinking he doesn't offer much out wide, so just doing what he can to offer the most to the team.

That being said, if he continues to make line breaks and line break assists like he did last game, the perception of his attacking ability will certainly change.


The reason Pocock plays tighter in attack, IMO, is because he is less likely to get smashed than Hooper might. Going up against the big boppas - the Ben Tameifuna's and the Ben Franks and the Bismark du Plessis' of Super Rugby, I'd prefer to have Pocock hitting that ball up over Hooper.

Hooper has blistering pace and he caught a number of opposition off-guard with just how quick he is but I think teams are more aware of it now.

To my mind, Pocock is too busy building the foundation for the backs to wqrk off to ALSO be putting himself out there as an attacking option as well.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
Holy crap - a 97% tackle success in 45 Tests is unbelievable. I wonder how many tackles that amounts to.

What a friggen machine.


Because you can't have too many stats and because I thought it would be fun to do, I worked out Pocock's Test tackle stats. Slightly different to those on the graphic but not by much. Also it should be noted that I couldn't get any stats for two of the Tests played in Italy so those games have been omitted.

Tests: 44
Tackle attempts: 387
Missed tackles: 12
Tackle success: 97%

No of games with 0 misses: 35 (or ~80% of game he won't miss any)
Avg attempts/game: 8.8
Avg misses/game: 0.27

Fun fact: David Pocock had his first missed (Test) tackle in his 14th Test. The first 13 he had zero misses!!

As Bullrush said.....
What a friggen machine.

EDIT: Stats from ESPN Statsguru
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Look at the lot of you and all your stats and numbers. You have all become Michael Foley and Eddie Jones Clones.

You can not reduce our beautiful game to a series of numbers.

I like the bikini quote from @Joeleee. The stats may show a lot, but all the really interesting stuff is hidden.
 

Scoey

Tony Shaw (54)
Yes and no. I would advocate that a woman wearing a bikini can be and often is more alluring than one that is completely starkers. It is that which is left hidden that creates the interest and leaves you wanting more.

If we could work in absolutes, then this thread would've been over in 2 posts and then where would be on a Friday afternoon trying to whittle away the afternoon at work?? Huh?

Give me the bikini any day! Stats are fun!
 

Joeleee

Ted Fahey (11)
Yes and no. I would advocate that a woman wearing a bikini can be and often is more alluring than one that is completely starkers. It is that which is left hidden that creates the interest and leaves you wanting more.

If we could work in absolutes, then this thread would've been over in 2 posts and then where would be on a Friday afternoon trying to whittle away the afternoon at work?? Huh?

Give me the bikini any day! Stats are fun!


Oh I love stats, but if you try to sleep with them, you just end up being blocked by the bikini, and you can't win the whole game just by looking at Pocock or Hooper wearing bikinis, because as much fun as it is, Cheika still needs to try to sleep with one or both of them.

Wait, I think I might have got confused with the metaphor there...
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Yes and no. I would advocate that a woman wearing a bikini can be and often is more alluring than one that is completely starkers. It is that which is left hidden that creates the interest and leaves you wanting more.
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... ... ... the pursuit of which generates over 1/2 the internet traffic, and has brought many a promising public figures career to an early halt.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Hooooooper did more than Poey who was just over the ball. Incumbent keeps it, Poey didn't do enough to unseat him.
Hooper more effective runs, plenty of good tackles.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Hooper isn't and never will be an international level 7. Doesn't dominate the ruck enough. No big enough. Poey 100% for me.
Last play of the game, hooper was still at it over the ball and earned the penalty. He also had more runs and tackles I believe through my one eye.
But both good, and incumbent keeps, and if poey was incumbent I'd say the same.
 
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I thought Pocock was the better tonight, only marginally though


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Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Hard to separate the two from tonight's game, although they really showed that as good as LF Gill is, there is a fair bit of daylight between Bam Bam and Hooper, and the rest of the 7's around the country.
 

BDA

Jim Lenehan (48)
Last play of the game, hooper was still at it over the ball and earned the penalty. He also had more runs and tackles I believe through my one eye.
But both good, and incumbent keeps, and if poey was incumbent I'd say the same.


I think Robinson got the final steal.
 
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