The impending Hooper vs Pocock Dilemma
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John Eales (66)
He's now about the same weight as Big Dog, but not as tall. Maybe Bob's not so crazy about playing him at eight!
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Yeah he doesn't look that big to me either, but the Brumbies medical team would be the only ones who know for sure.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
He is a big boy, and muscles weigh more then fat, but his not really built like an 8..
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Bobby Sands
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If Theirry can play 6, then surely so can Dave.
If Liam was playing 7, we wouldn't even need to lift Dave.
If Liam was playing 7, we wouldn't even need to lift Dave.
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Mark Ella (57)
If Poey is THAT big he should be imposing himself on other teams in a huge way.
To me, he looks cut and around 105 - 108
The myth continues to grow
To me, he looks cut and around 105 - 108
The myth continues to grow
Pocock still looks like a LHP running the ball to me, he very rarely looks like he is an actual attacking threat, but he was better
Using the presumption that Hooper will be one of the selected 7s and probably starting in a team playing Cheika ball, his back up is the question.
Now do you have a like for like selection, which would be McMahon or a point of difference choice (Pocock or Gill)
I think all the 7s are lessor scavengers under the current interpretation, the stats show they are all getting less turnovers
Gnostic
Mark Ella (57)
BSands , the French like the Saffas play the openside position as 6.If Theirry can play 6, then surely so can Dave.
If Liam was playing 7, we wouldn't even need to lift Dave.
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Bobby Sands
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Thankyou Gnostic. Much appreciative.
The South African's certainly reverse their backrow numbers, however are not playing a fetcher at all (apparently Heindrich is no good) so in line with the Australian model are almost playing two 6's anyway.
The French however play a left and right flanker model, similiar to how we play wingers. It is not that Theirry is a 7 with a six on his back, but that they prefer more dogsbody type athletes who can bring characteristics of both positions. Generally with an athletic (read 6'5") dominant ball-carrying player @ 8.
But that aside, I think my point still stands?
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Next I'll be reading that the Holy One has grown and is reportedly now 6ft 6 inches
The halo adds a couple of inches.
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Mark Ella (57)
Not really. You have to change the attack and defence structures to compensate for loss of specialist skills offered by true 6s of 7s which ever way you go. No fetcher for instance need to be prepared to target rucks for counter ruck. Lineouts are effected, scrum effected, attack channels for support runners..... There is always a trade off. Think back to Waugh & Smith in 2003 or McCalman in 2011. Also need to consider law interpretations as FP had pointed out. It's all a grand tapestry.
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Mark Ella (57)
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Bobby Sands
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So you haven't thought about it? You have just rolled out the Smith v Waugh equation of playing two very similiar 7s.
Liam and David are quite different if you hadn't noticed.
This is all hypothetical of course, but let's play it out.
Gill is a fetcher is he not? Good.
He is good aerially and is regularly used at the lineout. Is he 190+cm? No.
Can Dave do all the fundamentals of an Australian 6?
Well his work in tight is sound. He is more than adequate defensively, and ball in hand. Just for good measure he is also very good over the ball, and is more difficult for the opposition to clean out.
However he is not good aerially, so we lose out in the line-out.
You would think we a decent jumping option at 8, let's say similiar to Imanol Harinordoquy than this option lends itself to probably working no?
I think Scott Fardy might be too important to leave out, given his versatility around the field. This fact renders the two fetchers debate redundant.
He can play the pest at the breakdown role, he can be physical in defence, he's a solid ball-runner as well as a lineout option. As long as he is in some sort of form I think he is the best option we have at 6.
If he's out of form, or injured, well that's when this debate may roar right back into the headlines.
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He can play the pest at the breakdown role, he can be physical in defence, he's a solid ball-runner as well as a lineout option. As long as he is in some sort of form I think he is the best option we have at 6.
If he's out of form, or injured, well that's when this debate may roar right back into the headlines.
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If Fardy was injured I tend to think we'd see Higginbotham there before we went with Pocock playing 6.
I definitely think if we got down to McMahon or Jones for the 6 jersey (like on the EOYT) we'd see Pocock and Hooper starting together but otherwise Cheika will opt for more size and a more traditional 6.
I definitely think if we got down to McMahon or Jones for the 6 jersey (like on the EOYT) we'd see Pocock and Hooper starting together but otherwise Cheika will opt for more size and a more traditional 6.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
Fardy is a breakdown pest, his like a 7 trapped in a locks body.
But hey we have now got Gill 7 Poey 6.. Hooper crashes over the ad line so his 8.. I don't want to hurt the Vic's And Perthinites so McMahon 4 and Hodgson 5. since we won't win a scrum or line out we can swap the front row for the next best 7's butler Colby and... Fuck I've run out so Slipper stays at 1
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But hey we have now got Gill 7 Poey 6.. Hooper crashes over the ad line so his 8.. I don't want to hurt the Vic's And Perthinites so McMahon 4 and Hodgson 5. since we won't win a scrum or line out we can swap the front row for the next best 7's butler Colby and... Fuck I've run out so Slipper stays at 1
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