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The "Finds" of Wallaby EOYT

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The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Gee I think that's harsh on McCalman. The guy is a significant upgrade on Fava, Hoiles, Richie Brown and John 'Tits for hands' Roe. He hasn't made rookie boo boos, which usually come with the territory. He has the workrate and the attitude. He needs to wrap up better in defence. He needs to ensure he's not so upright at times when running the ball, and he could do with some more pounds - I like my no8 to be a 112+ kg ball carrying WMD. But the raw ingredients are promising and he's just 22.

Ben Alexander looks like he lost a lot of weight and strength with his injuries. He should come good with some offseason training.

It wasn't meant to be harsh and I'd love to see him develop into a top line player. Perhaps I'm being a little impatient. He does go too high into contact and gets turned over too easily -- I think that's my primary issue. We'll see I guess.
 

cyclopath

George Smith (75)
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It wasn't meant to be harsh and I'd love to see him develop into a top line player. Perhaps I'm being a little impatient. He does go too high into contact and gets turned over too easily -- I think that's my primary issue. We'll see I guess.

I agree with Naza, although he shits me to tears when he runs it into contact like a sprinting meerkat. You'd think self-preservation would teach him to get lower playing against some of the big units that have smashed him backwards this season. A few more kegs, and some more hard knocks, so to speak, will do him good.
 

farva

Vay Wilson (31)
I think McCalman will come on to be a genuine challenger for the 8 jersey against Palu. He isnt at Palu's level yet but I can see him getting there.

I would really like to see him at 8 next year, as a Force fan, for two reasons. First of all, he offers the larger running flanker as opposed to one of the three opensides that the Force are running with at the moment. Second, I want the Force to develop another genuine lock as Sharpe only has another year or two left in him. We need someone to take over from him. And that means that Tom Hocking or Phoenix Battye need to stand up (Sam Wykes is a flanker, not a out and out lock IMO).
 

Jnor

Peter Fenwicke (45)
Along the McCalman train, has anyone else noticed that Rocky's game has been resurgent since Dicky B was dropped so perhaps that indicates the amount of (effective) work Big Dog has been doing has allowed Rock to spend a bit more time out playing a more natural game? Or just coincidence?

Also, Big Dog is a shit nickname - we need a new, G&GR-approved one.
 

Joe Mac

Arch Winning (36)
Simmons a great find. The boy has real mongrel.

I think another person who is not a find, but has found their place in the team and some much sought after form is Barnes. His combination with QC (Quade Cooper) over the weekend was lethal.
 
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TOCC

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I agree on Simmons... He didn't set the field alight, but rarely do locks ever do so, from what I could see on tv he was effective and busy at the breakdowns and in defence.. Lineouts seemed pretty solid as well, don't remember any major slip ups there, I think we may have pinched a few opposition throws as well?

Will be good to see Horwill and Simmons unite in 2011, unless Link perserveres with his game plan of having Horwill at blindside
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Don't like Horwill at blindside at all. He's a lock and that's where he does his best work. I think he's wasted at flanker.

I agree on Barnes too, but that should surprise nobody, given that I've been banging that drum since I arrived here.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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I agree on Simmons... He didn't set the field alight, but rarely do locks ever do so, from what I could see on tv he was effective and busy at the breakdowns and in defence.. Lineouts seemed pretty solid as well, don't remember any major slip ups there, I think we may have pinched a few opposition throws as well?

Will be good to see Horwill and Simmons unite in 2011, unless Link preservers with his game plan of having Horwill at blindside

Simmons appears very mobile, and that suits both Deans and Links style.
 

Set piece magic

John Solomon (38)
its great that we now have serious depth in the back row except number 8. We must have 10 locks / flankers capable of playing walllabies level as shown by simmons on the weekend. Come world cup time when injuries are tolling there will be no trouble there
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Hmmm, don't know if I would yet agree that McCalman is a big step up on Fava, Brown and John Roe yet. McCalman's NH tour left a lot to be desired for me after promising performances in the Tri-Nations. Brown, Fava and Roe (and Hoiles) all had multiple good S15 seasons through their careers - I really want to see McCalman have a good year at the Force next year at number 8. I actually thought that McCalman was a weak point in our back row on the NH tour, which was a bit disappointing.

Naza; trying to work out where you got John "tits for hands" Roe from. Being an ex-five eighth, Roe had better hands and ball skills (apart from offloading) than a certain 120kg wrecking ball that is, when fit, far and away the best number 8 in Australia. (Of couse, I am not saying that Roe was a better number 8 at all.)

Number 8 was a real weak spot since Williams and Kefu retired up until Palu rounded out his game a few years back. Without Palu, I sadly still see a yearning black hole right now.
 

MrMouse

Bob Loudon (25)
Hmmm, don't know if I would yet agree that McCalman is a big step up on Fava, Brown and John Roe yet. McCalman's NH tour left a lot to be desired for me after promising performances in the Tri-Nations. Brown, Fava and Roe (and Hoiles) all had multiple good S15 seasons through their careers - I really want to see McCalman have a good year at the Force next year at number 8. I actually thought that McCalman was a weak point in our back row on the NH tour, which was a bit disappointing.

Naza; trying to work out where you got John "tits for hands" Roe from. Being an ex-five eighth, Roe had better hands and ball skills (apart from offloading) than a certain 120kg wrecking ball that is, when fit, far and away the best number 8 in Australia. (Of couse, I am not saying that Roe was a better number 8 at all.)

Number 8 was a real weak spot since Williams and Kefu retired up until Palu rounded out his game a few years back. Without Palu, I sadly still see a yearning black hole right now.

A couple of points. The weak point in our back row... a back row with the form international openside, and many peoples' pick for world XV blindside...Ouch.

Brown, Farva, Hoiles and Roe have all had many good Super seasons. Not one had an international season as good as McCalman's just had. Because they were just that - good Super players. Despite only having had one Super Season, McCalman is already one up on them in that regard.

I'm not saying that McCalman is the second-string messiah, but he played solid-very good rugby against the top rugby nations in the world. That's good enough for me.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
I agree on Simmons... He didn't set the field alight, but rarely do locks ever do so, from what I could see on tv he was effective and busy at the breakdowns and in defence.. Lineouts seemed pretty solid as well, don't remember any major slip ups there, I think we may have pinched a few opposition throws as well?

Will be good to see Horwill and Simmons unite in 2011, unless Link perserveres with his game plan of having Horwill at blindside

I doubt you will see Horwill at blindside again. If Link wants to go with a big destructive mother at blindside on occaisions, he has a ready made man in Samo. Horwill will stay at lock and my bet is that we will see a rotation of Simmons and Van partner him.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Yes, and McCalman our backup 8 and Gits (probably) our backup 12.

This is where it all gets interesting. If Giteau partners AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) in the centres for the Brumbies and they go alright, we might see the combination inseted into the Wallaby run on side. It is also no sure bet that Barnes will play 12 for the Tahs.

Will have to waight and see who plays where.

I would love to see McCalman play 8 for the Force. He needs more experience controlling the scrum.
 

Ash

Michael Lynagh (62)
Actually, like McCalman, Roe went well in his first few tests and was touted briefly as the long term number 8 for the Wallabies, before getting injured. McMalman was unheralded, had barely played Super rugby, and opposition teams didn't know him. McCalman went very well in the Tri-Nations, in particular some Bledisloe games, but was well below that standard on the EOYT, and in fact I thought he was barely above Brown-level in a few games. McMalman NEEDS to be the first choice 8 at the Force next year.

I like to be a bit more pragmatic with players like Simmons, Slipper, McCalman, etc who get a few test caps at a young age and little Super experience and go great guns in those few caps. We have a history that is filled with players who have done similar, then struggled for a few years before either fading away, or finally establishing themselves. Even looking back in the last 10 years, you can name a few in the front row for just starters, like Blake, Holmes, Kepu, and so on. Hell, Shepherdson was ever so briefly (on the back of one season at TH for the Wallabies) called Australia's long term solution at THP. Even S. Fainga'a had a few good games initially at hooker this year before later getting found out.

Oh, I am hoping these guys make it, but have seen it all before. Young guys make an impact, but then get given time to get found out or let it get to them. I prefer to think that they (Slipper, Simmons, McCalman) have done well, and then merely hope for a solid Super season to back it up, then be pleasantly surprised if they do better. Otherwise, we'll get disappointed very often. It's a shame that the media already will be heaping all too much pressure onto these young guys and then watch them go to the Chisholm stratosphere.

I guess I am probably mostly by myself around here with those views, but that's how I feel.
 

Reddy!

Bob Davidson (42)
I'm not saying that McCalman is the second-string messiah, but he played solid-very good rugby against the top rugby nations in the world. That's good enough for me.

Maybe it is good enough for you if you like losing World Cups. ;)
 
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