The best XV of players from any school

[Rothschild]

Pumpkinhead, that Duncan Hall wasn't the early 80s Duncan Hall was it?
That's nothing, according to the stats above Terrace has produced 24 Aussie Schoolboys and 32 Wallabies. Obviously the Aussie Schoolboys concept only goes back so far.

Aussie schoolboys only date from 1971 however there was a tour to South Africa captained by Peter Robinson of Epping BHS, uncle of Ben Hand in either 1969 or 1970. Epping BHS had 5 players in that first tour.

Of the 16 TSS test players only 7 test caps since Aus schoolboys introduced.

 

[Lindommer]

Probably too early to say but Pat McCutcheon might challenge for a back row spot, likewise Damien Fitzpatrick might end up giving Chris Carberry a run for his money.

Far too early, topo. Unless you've got a crystal ball. O'Gorman, Heinrich, Ford and Carberry have the runs on the board, Cutch and Fitzy have a lot of work to do to get near them.

 

[Lindommer]

Forgot Ben Hand Lindo

Wouldn't select him over any of the back five I listed.

 

[Empire]

St Edmunds College Canberra

1. Jack Kennedy
2. Saia fiangaa
3
4. Tim McNamara
5. Ben White
6. Henry Vanderglas*
7. Seilala Lam
8. Jack Lam
9. George Gregan
10. Matt Giteau*
11. Anthony Fiangaa
12. Matt Giteau
13. Tyrone Smith
14. David Grimmond
15. Matthew Pini

16. Reza Almasi
17. Guy Kennedy
18. Mark McInnes
19.
20.*
21
22. Robbie Coleman


This is a pretty rough team - I'm sure others would substitute players, but its a start.

 

[Brumbies Guy]

St Edmunds College Canberra

1. Jack Kennedy
2. Saia Fainga'a
3. Guy Kennedy
4. Tim McNamara
5. Ben White
6. David Furner
7. C.olby Fainga'a
8. Jack Lam

9. George Gregan
10. Ricky Stuart
11. Anthony Fainga'a
12. Matt Giteau
13. Tyrone Smith
14. David Grimmond
15. Matthew Pini

16. Reza Almasi
17. Kesomi Lolotona
18. Mark McInnes
19. Luke Priddis / Seilala Lam
20. Matt Henjak
21. Albert Fulivai
22. Robbie Coleman


This is a pretty rough team - I'm sure others would substitute players, but its a start.

My subs bolded

 

[Lee Grant]

The Scots College, Bellevue Hill:

15. Jim Hindmarsh [from wing]
14. Phil Crowe Stewart Boyce
13. Bill McKidd
12. John Solomon
11. Jim Boyce
10. Brock James
9. Ken Catchpole
8. Tim Gavin
7. David Brockhoff
6. Stuart Pinkerton Bill Calcraft
5. Warwick Waugh
4. Tom Bowman
3.
2. Michael Choromanski
1. Rob McMickan

Alternative elections in bold.

Scots haven't exactly played their part in producing top front rowers, have they?

 

[Empire]

Yea, I can agree with majority of those. Didn't realise I'd put Giteau in twice - can't see much when posting from iPhone.

I'd still have Vanders in 6 over Furner - one is currrent Australian 7's the other didn't really play rugby union out of school.

Either way, it'd be nice to have a list of all Eddies reps to pick from. Interesting brainstorming!

 

[spectator]

T.S.S.
Give me time to get the years together, (dates are open for amendment by persons more knowledgeable than I)

1: James Slipper (2005-2007)
2: Tom Lawton (early 1990's)
3: Richard Nyholt (early 1990's)
4: Rob Simmons (? - 2007)
5: Nathan Sharpe (about 2001 - grade 5 - 12)
6: Scott Higginbottom (didn’t play 1st VX) (? - 2007)
7:
8: Ole Avei (2001)
9: Luke Evans (1999 - 2006)
10: Jonno Lance (2001 - 2007)
11: Peter Jackson
12: Nathan Grey (early 1990's)
13: Wally Fullerton-Smith
14: Luke Moraghan (1999 - 2007)
15: Matt Rodgers (about 1991 ish)

Not in position order
16: Caleb Brown (2000 - 2004)
17: Vitori Buatava (2000-2001)
18:
19: Lloyd Johansson
20: Ben Tapuai (2004 - 2007)
21:

Buatava was quite sensational at school from what I saw. What was Fullerton-Smith like at rugby?

 

[Epi]

St. Joseph's College
(Hunters Hill)

Years listed are those they played for the Wallabies.

15. Terry Curley (1957-59)
14. Arthur Tonkin (1947-50)
13. Matt Burke (1993-2004)
12. Jack Blomey (1949-50)
11. Bill White (1929-32)
10. Kurtley Beale (2009-present)
9. Luke Burgess (2008-present)
8. John O'Gorman (1961-67)
7. Ted Heinrich (1961-63)
6. Jack Ford (1925-30)
5. Ted Fahey (1912-14)
4. Steve Williams (1980-85) [Captain]
3. Declan Curran (1980-83)
2. Chris Carberry (1973-82)
1. Tony Daly (1989-95)

Notes
15. Curley's career was shortened because of the commencement of his priesthood. I saw him play, and with a different calling he would have been a Wallaby great IMO.

13. Burke played outside centre for Oz Schools and Joeys had a plethora of good fullbacks over the years compared to other positions.

10. Likewise Beale is picked at flyhalf.

7. Heinrich played other backrow positions also, but otherwise I would have had to have picked Lipman, a Pom.

6. Ford played mainly at 8, but he played some at 7 for Oz, and this is my post.

4/5 Williams and Fahey – both Wallaby captains.

3. Tough choice between Curran and Jake Howard whose career coincided with that of Wallaby great Ray Prosser.

I had to rely on my extensive rugby library to read up on some of the players who I didn't see play (everyone prior to 15. Terry Curley.)

Did you take Steve Devine into account? I'd have him over Burgo any day...

 

[Lee Grant]

I did, but I don't agree that Devine was a better senior player; which is neither here nor there. Had a better pass though.

 

[topo]

Alternative elections in bold.

Scots haven't exactly played their part in producing top front rowers, have they?

What about big Dave Carter for 6?

 

[Rothschild]

Buatava was quite sensational at school from what I saw. What was Fullerton-Smith like at rugby?

Never saw him I'm afraid

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Plenty of players named from schools who have gone on to be Wobs, but what about the best coach from those great rugby factories. Not many if any have gone on to National honours, but they have had significant impact on the future careers of their charges, and many have left a long term legacy at their schools.

 

[DPK]

It's a shame that Australian rugby relies so heavily on these prestigious ****-factories...

Really? Why?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

It's a shame that Australian rugby relies so heavily on these prestigious ****-factories...

I wonder if the same can be said for the Saffers, The Darkness, Soap Dodgers, Spud Bashers etc.

International correspondents to reply.

ie, would approximately 40% of your internationals have come from approx 15 schools, with a couple of key schools producing about 5% of your internationals.

 

[spectator]

Brisbane Boys College (BBC) have a few handy players in Horwill, Genia, John Roe and Roger Gould (I think) to name a few.

 

[RugbyFuture]

Its true reliance on only a few schools is seen as a bad thing, however Lee Grants view is also noteworthy in that rugby wouldn't have survived. The fact is, rugby wouldn't be so reliant on these prestigous schools if mungos didn't exist/mungoball was never invented/reassimilated into real rugby in the last three decade.
A focus on Grassroots is important, but maintaining the games status in australia is also, the only hope to spread from this spot is for mungoball to slowly recede, however many other people would refute having "rowdy" people at games etc.

 

[RugbyReg]

Brisbane Boys College (BBC) have a few handy players in Horwill, Genia, John Roe and Roger Gould (I think) to name a few.

Mitchell Palm...

 

[Brumbies Guy]

Plenty of players named from schools who have gone on to be Wobs, but what about the best coach from those great rugby factories. Not many if any have gone on to National honours, but they have had significant impact on the future careers of their charges, and many have left a long term legacy at their schools.

St Edmunds Canberra had John Papahatzis and Pat Langtry; both of which have had a significant influence on schoolboy rugby.

 

[Lee Grant]

The King's School, North Parramatta:

15. Julian Huxley
14. Daniel Conn Greg Jeloudev
13. Stirling Mortlock
12. Daniel Halangahu James Hilgendorf
11. Ben Batger
10. James Hilgendorf Billy Sheehan
9. Daniel Halangahu **
8. Hugh Rose Ross Reynolds
7. Tim Davidson Peter Fenwicke Wallaby captain ***
6. Mitch Chapman Hugh Rose from 8
5. Dean Mumm
4. Will Caldwell Roger Davis
3. ****
2. Digby Beaumont
1. Jon White

Some alternative selections and position changes are in bold.

** Based on playing for the Tahs there in trials. Not the worst I ever saw.

*** The difference of open and blindside flanker was not so relevant in Fenwicke's day. The tackled ball law had just been changed and the convention that attacking players could have their hands in just after a ruck had formed had not yet been established by referees. Then they enforced no hands-in even for attacking scrummies. Instead dominant forwards pushed lose scrummages with the ball on the ground up the park until they heeled it back.

**** Couldn't find one. Hopefully Guy Millar, the Oz Schools THP in 2010, could find his name there on some future list