Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Fred Wood (13)
This has aged well… Penrith on a role!
Sydney Subbies 2025
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Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
Oysters
Penrith
Savers
Sea Lice
Some close ones in there - Burra did rather well I thought despite the scoreline.
footy_footy
Larry Dwyer (12)
I will provided some defence for Knox - way back in March all clubs were told 5 July was a guaranteed bye. Their division was also turned on it head a few weeks in compounded by a void match and washouts.
When players hear there is a bye they act immediately - book holiday, buy tickets or pencil in some time with significant others who get overlooked during the throes of a season.
what I can’t work out is not being able to scrape together a team when you should have a whole colts squad that can step in. Maybe there wasn’t an appetite to take on the Blacktown lads?
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Fred Wood (13)
100% agree with you on the late change and guys going away. But as you said not being able to field a side at all is a concerning trend. Just seems like this week has been booked as a catch up for over a month and then to pull the pin the day before. Someone should of stepped in the world of being able to reschedule games instead of forfeiting
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Fred Wood (13)
Why are we no longer noting in the app if the game is a forfeit or the score being listed as 28-0 by Subbies. Seems like forfeit is a dirty word and we don’t want to admit when one happens. It makes for confusing tables with washouts and rescheduling of games
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
Starts with "F" so yeah why not?
John S
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Gee, looks like Emus might have found their spot (got to be a lot better than consistently losing by cricket scores at any rate).
Four YCs seems like there's still some poor discipline issues though.
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
Agreed that 4 in one game is a bit excessive.
It is interesting to look at the yellow card count - with 9 games listed they had no cards in 5 of them. The other 4 games:
10/05 v Drop Bears - 1 x Repeat/Intentional Offence
14/06 v Sea Lice - 1 x Repeat/Intentional Offence
28/06 v Burraneer - 2 x Repeat/Intentional Offence, 1 x Illegal Tackle
05/07 v Drop Bears - 3 x Illegal Tackle, 1 x Repeat/Intentional Offence
I see a few new names on team sheets so it might also be guys adapting to new tackle height as they re-enter the game this year.
Still, it averages one yellow card per match, 5 Repeat/Intentional and 4 Illegal Tackle.
You know who else averages one yellow card per match? Hunters Hill Kentwell.
Of the 7 yellow cards in as many matches, they have:
5 x Illegal Tackling
1 x Repeat/Intentional Offence
1 x Form of striking
It doesn't mean either side is better or worse in discipline terms, in my humble opinion.
parkfootyenthusiast2
Jimmy Flynn (14)
Yeah this is bang on. Plenty of the wider grade squad pencilled in commitments with this week being flagged as a week off with plenty of notice. Further, the only reason this week was being played at all was because subbies pulled Barker after 1 week in the competition against Knox in week 1, where both grades picked up bonus point wins that were stripped.
Unfortunate but it is what it is, looks like a bunch of 2nd graders made their first grade debuts in a convincing win regardless, I imagine they'll be back to two full sides next week, coincidentally also against Blacktown, for double points, on the road.
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
I'll bet the week was circled early by any ski enthusiasts across Subbies.
Heavyd
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Or beers in Paddo before the Waratahs vs Lions. Isn’t that why we all had the week off?
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
It looked fucking great! Unfortunately I got sick mid week and had to miss was the fun
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Fred Wood (13)
I can sympathise with Knox and the late changes to the draw and the fact that the washout fell on the 2nd match up against Blacktown and its tough to get guys on a week off.
However they’ve known about the need to catch this game up for a number of weeks. This chat knew they had agreed to play this weekend at least 3 weeks prior. They must have known there numbers then or why agree to the game. Both clubs have grounds they can accommodate mid week games.
They had ~50 guys the week before and had 8 on the bench on Saturday. But we are supposed to believe that 30 guys took the week off and the club didn’t know till the Friday before.
Realistically given they have double points this week and in the last round. One win in these games will get them into the finals without having to tough it out this week. It’s another example why a 4 team finals in these comps don’t work.
But it’s within the rules so play on and hopefully it doesn’t backfire on them.
However they’ve known about the need to catch this game up for a number of weeks. This chat knew they had agreed to play this weekend at least 3 weeks prior. They must have known there numbers then or why agree to the game. Both clubs have grounds they can accommodate mid week games.
They had ~50 guys the week before and had 8 on the bench on Saturday. But we are supposed to believe that 30 guys took the week off and the club didn’t know till the Friday before.
Realistically given they have double points this week and in the last round. One win in these games will get them into the finals without having to tough it out this week. It’s another example why a 4 team finals in these comps don’t work.
But it’s within the rules so play on and hopefully it doesn’t backfire on them.
CrashBandicoot2
Allen Oxlade (6)
Isnt this the issue that we have been arguing over the last few weeks. Players dont want to commit to 18 rounds anymore and when they are forced to play each week - you end up getting forfeits.
Odyssey_Park the 2nd
Fred Wood (13)
Whilst we are all watching the league instead of the Lions. I’ve had a crack at the divisions for next year to make a more even spread.
Outside of Div 1 the only 8 team Div. Everyone else is a 7 team comp, so there will be 2 byes to fit the 14 round season. Colts are still an issue but trying to fit the grade sides the best with like for like.
Div 1 5 Grades and Colts
Keeping the 8 team comp. With only UNSW possible to challenge the status quo. Newport deserve a 2nd year in Division 1 if they want it
1. Hunters
2. Mosman
3. Waverley
4. Colleagues
5. Mountains
6. Newport
7. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
8. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
Div 2 4 Grades and Colts
Hills with 3 grades this year and strong through the grades are the obvious ones to move up. Though I’ve moved Colleagues Colts to play with Irish as it’s a better fit travel wise.
1. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
2. Petersham
3. Forest
4. St Pats
5. Briars
6. Sydney Irish- With Colleagues colts 2.
7. Hills- No colts?
Div 3 2 Grades & Colts
The struggle with this division is finding enough teams with Colts and keeping Div 5 viable. It may be that if those clubs want to push up with Colts then we have a bigger Div 4 & 6. Hoping one of the bottom 3 find colts but potentially Brothers Colts could fit with Redfield if they don’t have a senior side?
1. Beecroft
2. Knox
3. LCOI
4. Hornsby
5. Redfield- No Colts?
6. Valley- No Colts?
7. Raptors- No Colts?
Brothers Colts?
Div 4- 2 Grades
Similar to this year but the top 3 clubs have been moved up to boost Div 3. Swapped this Div with Div 5 as it links more with Div 3. Harbour have been paired with Convicts given there location and Harbours strength in a 1 team comp.
1. Blacktown
2. Harlequins
3. Renegades
4. Epping
5. Canterbury
6. Harbour/Convicts
7. Manly
Div 5 1 Grade and Colts
The old Div 4… Some of these clubs may be eyeing a spot in Div 3 with 2 Grades. Though move anyone up you struggle to properly fill this Div. Hoping to see Barker back in Grade.
1. Wakehurst
2. Mac Uni
3. Chatswood
4. Kings
5. Balmain
6. Barker
7. Burraneer- Burra Seniors alongside Burra Colts but still 2 clubs…
Div 6 1 Grade
Not to many changes from this year other than Maccabi and St Ives moving back down as a 1 team club.
1. Merrylands
2. North Cronulla
3. Oatley
4. Georges River
5. Penrith
6. Maccabi
7. St Ives
Apologies if I’ve missed anyone….. Based off the current split and assuming numbers for clubs are similar to this year.
Outside of Div 1 the only 8 team Div. Everyone else is a 7 team comp, so there will be 2 byes to fit the 14 round season. Colts are still an issue but trying to fit the grade sides the best with like for like.
Div 1 5 Grades and Colts
Keeping the 8 team comp. With only UNSW possible to challenge the status quo. Newport deserve a 2nd year in Division 1 if they want it
1. Hunters
2. Mosman
3. Waverley
4. Colleagues
5. Mountains
6. Newport
7. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
8. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
Div 2 4 Grades and Colts
Hills with 3 grades this year and strong through the grades are the obvious ones to move up. Though I’ve moved Colleagues Colts to play with Irish as it’s a better fit travel wise.
1. Lindfield/Drummoyne/UNSW
2. Petersham
3. Forest
4. St Pats
5. Briars
6. Sydney Irish- With Colleagues colts 2.
7. Hills- No colts?
Div 3 2 Grades & Colts
The struggle with this division is finding enough teams with Colts and keeping Div 5 viable. It may be that if those clubs want to push up with Colts then we have a bigger Div 4 & 6. Hoping one of the bottom 3 find colts but potentially Brothers Colts could fit with Redfield if they don’t have a senior side?
1. Beecroft
2. Knox
3. LCOI
4. Hornsby
5. Redfield- No Colts?
6. Valley- No Colts?
7. Raptors- No Colts?
Brothers Colts?
Div 4- 2 Grades
Similar to this year but the top 3 clubs have been moved up to boost Div 3. Swapped this Div with Div 5 as it links more with Div 3. Harbour have been paired with Convicts given there location and Harbours strength in a 1 team comp.
1. Blacktown
2. Harlequins
3. Renegades
4. Epping
5. Canterbury
6. Harbour/Convicts
7. Manly
Div 5 1 Grade and Colts
The old Div 4… Some of these clubs may be eyeing a spot in Div 3 with 2 Grades. Though move anyone up you struggle to properly fill this Div. Hoping to see Barker back in Grade.
1. Wakehurst
2. Mac Uni
3. Chatswood
4. Kings
5. Balmain
6. Barker
7. Burraneer- Burra Seniors alongside Burra Colts but still 2 clubs…
Div 6 1 Grade
Not to many changes from this year other than Maccabi and St Ives moving back down as a 1 team club.
1. Merrylands
2. North Cronulla
3. Oatley
4. Georges River
5. Penrith
6. Maccabi
7. St Ives
Apologies if I’ve missed anyone….. Based off the current split and assuming numbers for clubs are similar to this year.
Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
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Phil Waugh (73)
Div 5 predictions
Maccabi v Raptors - the boys from the west will be looking to finish strong. Finals bound and seeking momentum.
Renegades v HVRU - still down on personnel, we're going to find this tough going against a settled lineup. Valley by a few.
EDIT: Epping v Canterbury - shouldn't be a surprise here. Epping to win safely if not comfortably.
Harlequins v Redfield - Quins were in it for a long part of the game last time but ROBRs have all their stars back and will be a different prospect.
Maccabi v Raptors - the boys from the west will be looking to finish strong. Finals bound and seeking momentum.
Renegades v HVRU - still down on personnel, we're going to find this tough going against a settled lineup. Valley by a few.
EDIT: Epping v Canterbury - shouldn't be a surprise here. Epping to win safely if not comfortably.
Harlequins v Redfield - Quins were in it for a long part of the game last time but ROBRs have all their stars back and will be a different prospect.
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Pfitzy
Phil Waugh (73)
At this stage for McLean Cup it is Redfield's to lose. They've 9 wins from 9 with 9 BPs and are +292 across those games (+32 avg).
And they're accelerating...
R1 +16 Renegades
R2 +15 Epping
R3 +19 Maccabi
R4 +37 Canterbury
R5 +10 Harlequins
R6 washout
R7 +21 Raptors
R8 +56 Renegades << This is where their full backline has returned.
R9 +57 Epping
R10 +61 Maccabi
Their average winning margin in R1-7 was just under 20.
From R8 onwards it is 58.
Not sure what will happen when they meet an equally experienced Valley in R13 - for double points! I'd love to watch it live tho.
And they're accelerating...
R1 +16 Renegades
R2 +15 Epping
R3 +19 Maccabi
R4 +37 Canterbury
R5 +10 Harlequins
R6 washout
R7 +21 Raptors
R8 +56 Renegades << This is where their full backline has returned.
R9 +57 Epping
R10 +61 Maccabi
Their average winning margin in R1-7 was just under 20.
From R8 onwards it is 58.
Not sure what will happen when they meet an equally experienced Valley in R13 - for double points! I'd love to watch it live tho.
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