Ummm ... Opens Schoolboys is Under 18's. They still play IRB Under 19 rules.
Colts are age limited. IIRC Colts 3 are Under 19 Age graded and play Under 19 Varioation rules, and Colts 1 and 2 are Age graded to Under 20 (Shute Shield) and Under 21 in NSW Subbies. The later play Full international IRB Rugby Laws, ie crutch binding, scrums moving more than 1.5 metres etc.
The blanket "signoff" that may have "existed" last year for 15 year olds to play in Under 18 schoolboy division at a specific competition would probably not apply under different affiliation jurisdictions.
I am sure that the Pirates Colts management know what they are doing, and everything will probably be above board, it just seems a little unusual to have a 16 year old boy playing against 20 year old men.
Ummm ... Opens Schoolboys is Under 18's. They still play IRB Under 19 rules.
Colts are age limited. IIRC Colts 3 are Under 19 Age graded and play Under 19 Varioation rules, and Colts 1 and 2 are Age graded to Under 20 (Shute Shield) and Under 21 in NSW Subbies. The later play Full international IRB Rugby Laws, ie crutch binding, scrums moving more than 1.5 metres etc.
The blanket "signoff" that may have "existed" last year for 15 year olds to play in Under 18 schoolboy division at a specific competition would probably not apply under different affiliation jurisdictions.
I am sure that the Pirates Colts management know what they are doing, and everything will probably be above board, it just seems a little unusual to have a 16 year old boy playing against 20 year old men.
I note that WCR but ARU have introduced a 2 year Window since then. There are very strict criteria, assessments and parental approvals that need to be followed under the 2 year up window.
Pretty sure that 3 years up has been prohibited by ARU (and their insurance company).
Must be a blanket form that signed him off last year, in the 16 s playing an opens team- maybe the blanket sign off has not expired yet....
I note that WCR but ARU have introduced a 2 year Window since then. There are very strict criteria, assessments and parental approvals that need to be followed under the 2 year up window.
Pretty sure that 3 years up has been prohibited by ARU (and their insurance company).
Hee Hee a bit like trying to keep Will Skelton is his own age group.
IIRC he was 130kg or thereabout in his final year at Hills Sports. Be surprised if he wasn't in the vicinity of 110 + kg as a 15 yo as well.
Did you get out to the 7 s tournament yesterday HJ. Great day of rugby, with some new talent about.
I note that WCR but ARU have introduced a 2 year Window since then. There are very strict criteria, assessments and parental approvals that need to be followed under the 2 year up window.
Pretty sure that 3 years up has been prohibited by ARU (and their insurance company).
http://www.rugby.com.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=NhTR2EXg08M=&tabid=1970Can a player participate in an Age Grade competition more than two years above his or her age for their school/club?
Yes. In exceptional cases, where a player’s physical development, skill level and experience is such that he or she may be allowed to participate in an age grade competition that is more than two years and no greater than three years above his or her age.
A player wishing to participate in an age grade competition more than two years above his or her age should carefully consider the information in Schedule A of the Two Year Window Policy, complete the Consent Form including assessed by a Level 2 coach and submit to your Competition Manager.
HJ - good post.rugby convert, welcome to Gaggerland.
It is a pity that kids have to leave the "nest" to pursue rugby dreams. NSW country suffer particularly, but this has always been the case, and I can't see anything changing in the future.
There are two 2012 NSW Schools U16 lads from NSW Country attending QLD Schools. I presume that these will be eligible to represent QLD Schools. I have heard that several other NSW Country U16 representatives have similarly crossed the northern border. The AAGPS schools teams have plenty of borders from NSW Country who are "lost" to junior village club rugby. Your lad playing colts in Shute Shield will similarly be lost to NSW Country, and also technically NSW JRU rep selection.
I have maintained that there needs to be some form of rationalisation between Colts and SJRU in the Under 17, Opens and Colts 2/Colts 3 grades. 17 and 18 year old schoolboys playing Colts should not not be prevented from playing representative age group footy just because they are playing Colts Rugby.
I am aware of quite a few kids playing Colts who are eligible for SJRU Opens. They choose Colts because there is no viable village club in their local area, there is inadequate coaching available in the village club programme, no viable school competition, or they are capable of playing at the higher level and would not be challenged in the Juniors programme. It is not the kids fault that opportunities are not available in village clubland.
I just had a look at the ARU 2 Year Window FAQ and it states:
http://www.rugby.com.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=NhTR2EXg08M=&tabid=1970
rugby convert, welcome to Gaggerland.
It is a pity that kids have to leave the "nest" to pursue rugby dreams. NSW country suffer particularly, but this has always been the case, and I can't see anything changing in the future.
There are two 2012 NSW Schools U16 lads from NSW Country attending QLD Schools. I presume that these will be eligible to represent QLD Schools. I have heard that several other NSW Country U16 representatives have similarly crossed the northern border. The AAGPS schools teams have plenty of borders from NSW Country who are "lost" to junior village club rugby. Your lad playing colts in Shute Shield will similarly be lost to NSW Country, and also technically NSW JRU rep selection.
I have maintained that there needs to be some form of rationalisation between Colts and SJRU in the Under 17, Opens and Colts 2/Colts 3 grades. 17 and 18 year old schoolboys playing Colts should not not be prevented from playing representative age group footy just because they are playing Colts Rugby.
I am aware of quite a few kids playing Colts who are eligible for SJRU Opens. They choose Colts because there is no viable village club in their local area, there is inadequate coaching available in the village club programme, no viable school competition, or they are capable of playing at the higher level and would not be challenged in the Juniors programme. It is not the kids fault that opportunities are not available in village clubland.
I just had a look at the ARU 2 Year Window FAQ and it states:
http://www.rugby.com.au/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=NhTR2EXg08M=&tabid=1970
Try easts - they usually play in the same places anyway.I tried to register my 10 year old boy at 2 Randwick clubs and was told they were full. I was told that one boy had been trying to get into the club for 3 years. No boy should miss out. This is crazy I'm sold on the game but am forced into another sport. Registration should be centralized through a website run at state level. If teams are short they should be cobbled together like the way Auskickafl do.
Further it was mentioned that the pathway petres out at 16 because school rugby is so physical. Well then play it on Wednesday night to allow maximum recovery. If you then have a pathway that continues you will get a greater following.
I tried to register my 10 year old boy at 2 Randwick clubs and was told they were full. I was told that one boy had been trying to get into the club for 3 years. No boy should miss out. This is crazy I'm sold on the game but am forced into another sport. Registration should be centralized through a website run at state level. If teams are short they should be cobbled together like the way Auskickafl do.
Further it was mentioned that the pathway petres out at 16 because school rugby is so physical. Well then play it on Wednesday night to allow maximum recovery. If you then have a pathway that continues you will get a greater following.