Sydney Colts - 2016

[fortheloveofrugby]

Today went to watch some good colts rugby, yet while we try to promote our game it was disappointing to see one coach whose team was being well beaten leave 3 players on the bench, no game time at all and the 3 had no obvious injury etc. Yes every coach has the last say, but he could have given these boys a run even the last 10 minutes, his team had no chance of winning at this point. We need to keep boys interesred and keen, not getting splinters week after week. I have no conection with the club, just love rugby, and want to see it grow. I see it happen too much.

 

[Monty Python]

Today went to watch some good colts rugby, yet while we try to promote our game it was disappointing to see one coach whose team was being well beaten leave 3 players on the bench, no game time at all and the 3 had no obvious injury etc. Yes every coach has the last say, but he could have given these boys a run even the last 10 minutes, his team had no chance of winning at this point. We need to keep boys interesred and keen, not getting splinters week after week. I have no conection with the club, just love rugby, and want to see it grow. I see it happen too much.

Had they just played a full game prior in the grade below? I don't think anyone keeps fresh reserves, only those backing up from the previous game (unless it was 3rd grade colts). The boys in question might have been thankful not to play 120 minutes of rugby and wreck their Saturday night out...

 

[Beard]

Today went to watch some good colts rugby, yet while we try to promote our game it was disappointing to see one coach whose team was being well beaten leave 3 players on the bench, no game time at all and the 3 had no obvious injury etc. Yes every coach has the last say, but he could have given these boys a run even the last 10 minutes, his team had no chance of winning at this point. We need to keep boys interesred and keen, not getting splinters week after week. I have no conection with the club, just love rugby, and want to see it grow. I see it happen too much.

keep in mind if it was 3rd grade colts they are only allowed to make a maximum of 10 changes.

 

[fortheloveofrugby]

Monty Python it was 3rd grade colts, first game of the day and aware only 10 changes can be made, there were not and doubt they were even adked to be reserves for 2nd grade colts game. Anyway, hope they get a game next week whoever they play and they had a good night out when they finally got home.

 

[Norfolk & Chance]

Monty Python it was 3rd grade colts, first game of the day and aware only 10 changes can be made, there were not and doubt they were even adked to be reserves for 2nd grade colts game. Anyway, hope they get a game next week whoever they play and they had a good night out when they finally got home.

Could you share who the team was?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

G'day, Detective Chief Inspector Jarse here.

Looking at the clues:
A Colts 3 Team who was well beaten in Round 6.

Round 6 Scores where one team beat the other team "well" were:
Hobbits 33 Woodies 0
Manly 14 Randi-Wix 36
Emus 5 Pirates 29

The margins in the other 3 games were 3, 14, and 12. Hardly well beaten.

Focusing on the 3 possible losing teams.
MMM have forfeited 2 games so far this season. Presumably these forfeits were due to lack of numbers, so it is unlikely to be them who were well beaten but left 3 fresh players on the bench.

The Emus have been struggling for numbers, and this years Team Sheets indicate that a number of players have played both 3rds Colts and 2nds Colts each week. They only used 1 player from the bench last weekend for Colts 3's. Don't think it was them.

That leaves the Woodies. They were well beaten by the Hobbits.
Their Round 6 team sheets show that they used all 10 Reserve places available. What were they supposed to do? Breach the competition rules that allow 3rd Colts to make 10 substitutions, and play another 3 players from the bench (28 players in total) just to make sure that all their "players" got some game time.

Seems that the Woodies have done the right thing and got as much of their squad to take the field as is allowable under the rules.

Not sure what the problem is here. If they have too many players in their Colts programme, then sooner or later some may get jack of riding the pine and register with another club in the local proximity who may not have so many players in their programme. They may be fiercely loyal to the Blue and Whites and are prepared to ride the pine waiting for a Rehab crisis (or uni holidays) when they will be wanted to start. Their choice.

 

[Norfolk & Chance]

^^^^^
You are right, they are fiercely loyal to Eastwood and don't want to play anywhere else. Are they happy with their game time no, do they accept it yes. 1st lost, 3rds lost and 2nds had a narrow win, there could be opportunities for movement and for people to get their chance, I suggest they take it when they get it. I'm sure the coaches won't wait forever for form to arrive.

 

[Seymour Butz]

Team lists for 1st grade colts Round 7:
http://www.rugbynews.net.au/intrust-shute-shield-round-7-1st-grade-colts-team-lists/

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Round 7 Team Lists​

Manly v Eastwood​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Manly: 1. Conor Davidson, 2. Felix Marot, 3. William McRae, 4. Van Stewart, 5. Kevin O'Connor, 6. Harry Chapman, 7. Matthew Schofield (c), 8. Scott Williams, 9. Jack Young, 10. Ben Crerar, 11. Dylan Bindczus, 12. Joseph Williams, 13. Jonte Kaplan, 14. Lachlan Miller, 15. Fraser Toohey
Eastwood: 1. Jack Morrison, 2. Max Stewart, 3. Ryhs Sherrif, 4. Tim Anstee, 5. Joesph Carbo, 6. Jacob Bamford, 7. Lachlan Anderson, 8. Liam Robson, 9. Tom O'Connor, 10. James Day, 11. Barton Picone, 12. Jayden Stokes, 13. Lachlan Burland, 14. Charles Sheppard, 15. Chris Orpen

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Manly: 1. Dom Duran, 2. Hayden Jones, 3. Nicolas White, 4. Byron Leach, 5. Cameron Signorini, 6. Oliver Parker, 7. Junior Amituanai, 8. Iosefo Sialii, 9. Connor Mcgrath, 10. Jared Palmer, 11. Lawrence Gay, 12. Kai Lackner, 13. Lachlan Armstrong, 14. Hugo Lumsdaine, 15. Nicholas Lising-White
Eastwood: 1. Nereg Nazarian, 2. Nick Dolly, 3. Rohan Zebib, 4. Charels Granger, 5. Josh Bones, 6. Daniel Cosgrove, 7. Hamish Fisher, 8. Angus Spicer, 9. Liam Baker, 10. Matt Moore, 11. Koodrin, 12. Mauni Pahulu, 13. Josh So, 14. Chris Orpen, 15. Daniel Macqueen

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Manly: 1. Ali Ibrahim, 2. Isa Abdullah, 3. Christian Barwell, 4. Bailey Frost, 5. Max Grimes, 6. Isaac Houston, 7. Rhett Connolly, 8. Sau Ofahengaue, 9. Austin Kirby, 10. Zach Saunders, 11. Daniel Heap, 12. Daniel Tuipulotu, 13. Tyler Jones, 14. John-Michael Lupton, 15. Tevita Faulao
Eastwood: 1. Jayden Taylor, 2. Max Beehan, 3. Liam Northbridge, 4. Kyle Cotton, 5. Ibbi Warfield, 6. Jared Odgers, 7. Zac Simpson, 8. Andy Graham, 9. Tom Graham, 10. Ryan Jensen, 11. Daniel Wu, 12. Milad Ferris, 13. Jock Pattinson, 14. Sam Irvine, 15. Sam Cale

Gordon v Northern Suburbs​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Sean Dillon, 2. Hosea Fotukava, 3. Jack Bowditch, 4. Beau Petterson, 5. Jack Margin, 6. Nic Burkett, 7. James Lough, 8. Brett Van Zyl, 9. Steve Kirkby, 10. James Dainton, 11. Rory Vevers, 12. Sam Lawson, 13. Sione Afu, 14. Marcus Hundt, 15. Josh Thorndyke
Northern Suburbs: 1. James Margan, 2. Evan Pritchard, 3. Tyler Key, 4. Jack Preece, 5. Paddy Olver, 6. Alex Ironside, 7. Mat Psaltis, 8. Kyle O’Hara, 9. Josh Lynch, 10. Connor Winchester, 11. Conor Menzies, 12. Charlie King, 13. Nick Clancy, 14. Tom Gilbert, 15. Dom Naylor

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Ben Wilkinson, 2. Alex Hamilton, 3. Alex Hancock, 4. William Halliday, 5. Elliot Gherig, 6. Campbell Clifford, 7. Lachlan Archer, 8. Hamish Phipps, 9. Sam Reimer, 10. Matt Long, 11. Sam Frankham, 12. Dave Smerdon, 13. Lachlan Phillips, 14. Dom Mete, 15. Conor Hurley
Northern Suburbs: 1. Lochie Adair, 2. John King, 3. Jordi Nikopolous, 4. Oliver Stump, 5. Wim Davies, 6. Hamish Moore, 7. Jake Hedge, 8. Ben Jeavons-Fellows, 9. Tom Veitch, 10. Zac Compton, 11. Harry Cudmore, 12. Simon Johnston, 13. Laquand Ofahengaue, 14. Shaun Townsend, 15. Gabe Cooper

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Gordon: 1. Brandon Fernandes, 2. Eric Stene, 3. Oliver Harradine, 4. Will Ryan, 5. Jordan Small, 6. Bennett Jiang, 7. Nick Slaven, 8. Simon Pursell, 9. Matthew Hayes, 10. Tom Gall, 11. Matthew Renshaw, 12. Angus Margin, 13. Rory Cramb, 14. Tim Taylor, 15. Tom Skelly
Northern Suburbs: 1. Dylan Santone, 2. Gus Irons, 3. Bailey O’Donnell, 4. Tom Wilson, 5. Lachie Moore, 6. Ryan Owen, 7. Rinaldo Gagino, 8. Will Mccawe, 9. Liam Wilson, 10. Todd Owen, 11. Angus Morgan, 12. Tom Mckellar, 13. Liki Failagi Nadredre, 14. Harry Licence, 15. Liam Ford

Southern Districts v Parramatta​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Southern Districts: 1. Jacob Storey, 2. Sama Mololo, 3. Lachlan King, 4. Damian Johnson, 5. Pat Kuenzle, 6. Dom McGrath, 7. Henry Robertson, 8. Lachlan Hennessey, 9. Liam O'Connor, 10. Brock Hammond, 11. Jack Conen, 12. Franky Calgulay, 13. William Latu, 14. Cooper Harris, 15. Te Orangi Thompson
Parramatta: 1. Jordan Loto'aniu, 2. Jacob Bristowe, 3. Ben Harkin, 4. Romado Tuigamala, 5. Joel Divertie, 6. Harvard Mau, 7. Ben Talamaivao, 8. Liam Faoagali, 9. Terry Fanolua, 10. Josh Tupuola, 11. Raui Poaru, 12. Luke Delailoa, 13. Siale Fifita, 14. Fili Havea, 15. Jaydon Lonergan

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Southern Districts: 1. Nathan Ford, 2. Gareth Thomas, 3. Robert Wilson, 4. Karaitiana Sa'u, 5. Jacob Fetui, 6. Simiki lufe, 7. Evan Jenkins, 8. Chase Paea, 9. Ben Lewis, 10. Daniel Bell, 11. Brodie Ford, 12. Zac Stewart, 13. Ryan Carmody, 14. James Finch, 15. Gordon Enari
Parramatta: 1. Dylan Valeni, 2. Haitoni Hafoka, 3. Lorenzo Ma'a, 4. Lachlan Natapu, 5. Brandan Fa'avae - Eli, 6. Fergus Ryan, 7. John Wesley, 8. Otto-Louis Wendt, 9. Hayden Lloyd, 10. Dallas Paterson, 11. Jeremiah Malauulu, 12. Raka Poaru, 13. Josh Delailoa, 14. Terek Riwai, 15. Mike Patea

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Southern Districts: 1. Sam Iuta, 2. Mitch Howse, 3. Tom Swiderski, 4. Alex Hoy, 5. Aaron Walker, 6. Brandon Kemp, 7. Tony Rumore, 8. Dante Patrick, 9. Ben Ridgeway, 10. Ryan Sorrell, 11. Zane Pratt, 12. Fatu Faanu, 13. Keanan Walker, 14. Mataele Taufa, 15. Blake Taylor
Parramatta: 1. Netane Talanoa, 2. Brendan Corkett, 3. Josh Tupuola, 4. Christian Maccarthy, 5. William Ravoka, 6. Joash Murray, 7. Danyon Morris, 8. Peni Tuitupou, 9. Mick Zakhia, 10. Zac Bristowe, 11. Fadi Eid, 12. Riley Alcorn, 13. Zac Tuala, 14. Steve Lemalu, 15. Peni Maitatini

Penrith v Warringah​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Richie Vahiu, 2. John Pene, 3. Pati Sinapati, 4. Tuimasi Katafono, 5. Tom Taufa, 6. Liku Ma Tangi, 7. Delahoya Manu, 8. Solomona Iosefa, 9. Sam Limbrey, 10. Leonardo Talataina, 11. Abraham Vae'laa, 12. Bernie Saleve, 13. Aidan Hopping, 14. Jarrod Purcell, 15. Isaiah Nuimata
Warringah: 1. Rob Hill, 2. Jack Nettleton, 3. Richie Tupou, 4. Andrew Davies, 5. Cael Carmont, 6. Luke Hurditch, 7. Luke Milham, 8. Wes Thomas, 9. Josh Bate, 10. Ben Marr, 11. Scott McMurdo, 12. Jerry Lemalu, 13. Eserah Chee-Kam, 14. Nathan Roberston, 15. Josh Thompson

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Tremayne Cashman, 2. Marcus Russell, 3. Assad Collins, 4. Epati Sale, 5. Zeek Mafi, 6. Kyle Taufa, 7. Ezra Kemp, 8. Matt Dritti, 9. Jye Clapham, 10. Chris Nielson, 11. Sebastian Ofoia, 12. James Papu, 13. Anthony Leo, 14. Thorne Piilua, 15. Oren Talataina
Warringah: 1. Callum Powers, 2. Hayden Lamaro, 3. Lachlan Begg, 4. Kobe Gillard, 5. Jamie Harrison, 6. Ben Rooney, 7. Bryce Reneman, 8. Kutis Stariha, 9. Rhett Butler, 10. Tim White, 11. Danny Lautolo, 12. Jaidyn Ma'fu, 13. Nathan Raffo, 14. Puni Aupuni, 15. Sam Gainsford

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Penrith: 1. Daniel Vaega, 2. Tangi Mafi, 3. Trey Ropata, 4. Samuel Fetalaiga, 5. Micheal Salusalu, 6. Hayden Lee, 7. Tarei Wilson, 8. Matt Lawson, 9. Desante Siliva, 10. Skivi Lisiua, 11. Kolio Taungakava, 12. George Teovai, 13. Vincent Mulipola, 14. Wirremu King, 15. Ben Meyer
Warringah: 1. Josh Foster, 2. Charlie Rowntree, 3. Clayton Anestasia, 4. Lachlan Brown, 5. Lachlan McMahon, 6. Nathan Cotton, 7. Zac McSwiney, 8. Pat La Tarocca, 9. Lachlan Grant, 10. Tom McBryde, 11. Daniel Chun, 12. Tom Condon, 13. Conor Bradshaw, 14. Dallas McKinnon, 15. Owen Chun

Sydney University v Eastern Suburbs​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Alex Massima, 2. Tom Horton, 3. Harry Johnson-holmes, 4. Peter Fenwicke, 5. Thomas Willson, 6. Hugh Summerhayes, 7. Lincoln Whiteley, 8. Nick Champion de Crespigny, 9. Banjo Travers, 10. Theodore Strang, 11. Tim McCutcheon, 12. Luke Lough, 13. William McDonnell, 14. Jaydon Fa'avae-Eli, 15. Sam Renton
Eastern Suburbs: 1. James King, 2. Charlie Cooper, 3. Archie Hall, 4. Will Picone, 5. James Shipway, 6. Dan Howes, 7. Tom Mahony, 8. James Donato, 9. Ted Pye, 10. Joe Mackie, 11. Declan Quin, 12. Dan England, 13. Ned Yeomans, 14. Jake Prindiville, 15. Dan Donato

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Conor O'Doherty, 2. Patrick O'Doherty, 3. Aiden Brown, 4. Sean O'Byrne, 5. Harrison Petkovich, 6. Tim Hingano, 7. Lewis Oswald, 8. Davis Jensen, 9. Jack London, 10. Callum Styles, 11. Nathanial Tamwoy, 12. Toby Cooke, 13. Eddy King, 14. Alex MacDonald, 15. Ethan Miller
Eastern Suburbs: 1. Jai Gunton, 2. Will Foxton, 3. Moffat Moloney, 4. Luke Porter, 5. Lachlan Sharp, 6. Phil Pymer, 7. Ed Ryan, 8. Oskar Szangolis, 9. Louis Collins, 10. Jayden Wright, 11. James Coppola, 12. Lloyd Evens, 13. Jordan Bracewell, 14. Will Hicks, 15. Dylan Luisi

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Sydney University: 1. Jay Spencer, 2. Langley Ammit, 3. Claude Platell, 4. Brad Hauville, 5. Angus Chapman, 6. TBC, 7. Daniel Poletto, 8. Ahmad Elbatoory, 9. Tom Farnell, 10. James Goddard, 11. Max Indge, 12. James McClelland, 13. Archie Weston, 14. Sam Wood, 15. Jonathan Boley
Eastern Suburbs: 1. Reuban Antico, 2. Andrew Bland, 3. Nick Zylstra, 4. Jack Somerton, 5. Ben Horton, 6. James Parrelli, 7. Nick Parrelli, 8. Ned Taylor, 9. Cooper Murphy, 10. Roy Harrison, 11. Will Somerton, 12. Felix Samengo-Turner, 13. James Hooke, 14. Harry McRitchie, 15. Brae Roebuck

Randwick v West Harbour​

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Hame Tali, 2. Tonga Tangatau, 3. Harry Chapman, 4. Nathaniel Gittoes, 5. Tom Pirrodi, 6. Sam Musgrove, 7. Jack Hayson, 8. Justin Cooper, 9. Paddy Rumble, 10. Reegan Carr, 11. Sepesa Tarogi, 12. Hamish Gordon, 13. Steve Gibson, 14. Jack Harrison, 15. Billy Freeman
West Harbour: TBC

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Sam Matenga, 2. Matt Serhon, 3. Kieran Bonin, 4. Rory Williams, 5. Esei Ha'angana, 6. Alec Corcoran, 7. Jordan Iremia, 8. Ryan Kenny Wilson, 9. Sam Horwitz, 10. Pat Pelligrini, 11. James Ramm, 12. Dan Boardman, 13. Zac Trinkler, 14. Tyrell Naleeba, 15. Dion Narayan
West Harbour: TBC

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Randwick: 1. Sam Hunt, 2. DJ Tifa, 3. Billy Finch, 4. Morehu Pahuru, 5. Tom Nowlan, 6. Joe Whitelock, 7. Lochie Simpson, 8. Lemeke Taumopeau, 9. Josh Noonan, 10. Greg Svandfelds, 11. Ethan McGuigan, 12. Bailey Hilder, 13. Jimmy Tregurtha, 14. Gus Simpson, 15. Jack Goode
West Harbour: TBC

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Round 7 Results

W. McMahon Memorial Shield (1st Grade Colts)
Manly 40 Eastwood 38
Gordon 31 Northern Suburbs 12
Southern Districts 33 Parramatta 5
Penrith 10 Warringah 50
Sydney University 47 Eastern Suburbs 12
Randwick 55 West Harbour 12

Shell Trophy (2nd Grade Colts)
Manly 0 Eastwood 52
Gordon 5 Northern Suburbs 12
Southern Districts 28 Parramatta 31
Penrith 0 Warringah 103
Sydney University 24 Eastern Suburbs 7
Randwick 45 West Harbour 10

Bill Simpson Shield (3rd Grade Colts)
Manly 0 Eastwood 38
Gordon v Northern Suburbs (TBA)
Southern Districts 19 Parramatta 17
Penrith 7 Warringah 46
Sydney University 19 Eastern Suburbs 19
Randwick 26 West Harbour 7


Round 8 Games - 7 May
Penrith v Eastern Suburbs
West Harbour v Manly
Eastwood v Parramatta
Gordon v Southern Districts
Randwick v Warringah
Northern Suburbs v Sydney University

 

[Hugh Jarse]

2016 Eric Spilsted Shield (Colts Club Championship) Table:
(after Round 7)

There are a maximum of 55 points available to a club each week, based on all 3 colts teams winning with a 4 try BP.

Sydney University, 349 points
Gordon, 317 points
Randwick, 295 points
Northern Suburbs, 233 points
Eastwood, 213 points (Up 1 Place)
Eastern Suburbs, 210 points (Down 1)
Southern Districts, 198 points
Warringah, 160 points (Up 2)
Manly, 156 points
West Harbour, 151 points (down 2)
Parramatta, 79 points
Penrith, 16 points

How the Colts Club Championship table is calculated.
The competition points from the individual competitions are multiplied by the following factors and then added together.
Colts 1 - 6
Colts 2 - 3
Colts 3 - 2

http://rugby.fusesport.com/rugby/results/external/summaryladder.asp?ladder=1168&OrgID=010100

 

[oversandunders]

appalling scenes yesterday at manly oval with eastwood awarded a penalty on the buzzer, only for the kick to go through and not be awarded. ref had a long seemingly confused conversation with both touch judges before blowing his whistle for full time and an eastwood loss by 2 points

 

[2bluesfan]

appalling scenes yesterday at manly oval with eastwood awarded a penalty on the buzzer, only for the kick to go through and not be awarded. ref had a long seemingly confused conversation with both touch judges before blowing his whistle for full time and an eastwood loss by 2 points

Well, there you go. This goes to show you can live to a ripe old age and still not have seen everything.
Did both ARs/touch judges raise their flags?
Surely there is more to be heard about this.

 

[Beard]

Well, there you go. This goes to show you can live to a ripe old age and still not have seen everything.
Did both ARs/touch judges raise their flags?
Surely there is more to be heard about this.

yep.. it was certainly a first for me.

 

[Brian Westlake]

appalling scenes yesterday at manly oval with eastwood awarded a penalty on the buzzer, only for the kick to go through and not be awarded. ref had a long seemingly confused conversation with both touch judges before blowing his whistle for full time and an eastwood loss by 2 points

Video?

 

[oversandunders]

Well, there you go. This goes to show you can live to a ripe old age and still not have seen everything.
Did both ARs/touch judges raise their flags?
Surely there is more to be heard about this.

touch judges seemed to think it missed, while just about everyone else seemed to think the kick had gone through (kicker, waterboy, referee, parents behind the sticks)

 

[Brian Westlake]

touch judges seemed to think it missed, while just about everyone else seemed to think the kick had gone through (kicker, waterboy, referee, parents behind the sticks)

Must have missed if both thought this. It is when it crosses the plane (plain?) of the goal line. Not from behind the line or from the sideline. Sad fact, but it isn't going to get changed now. Move on to next week. Nothing will come from it now, whichever way you feel.

 

[Dave Beat]

A similar thing happened in the 2013 GF, every one was confused. I wasn't there can't comment.

 

[Dingasden]

touch judges seemed to think it missed, while just about everyone else seemed to think the kick had gone through (kicker, waterboy, referee, parents behind the sticks)

What did the Manly players, coaches, waterboy & supporters think?

 

[Brian Westlake]

What did the Manly players, coaches, waterboy & supporters think?

It doesn't matter now. Only to the touchies that know the truth.
Let it go. No person can change it now.