Super Rugby Round 2: Waratahs v Stormers
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Hugh Roach's leg drive in contact carried him many meters past the advantage line on at least two occasions. That was good work and showed the others what determination and technique can do against a strong defensive line.
Plus he caught the 80th minute overthrow cleanly!
Plus he caught the 80th minute overthrow cleanly!
Roach is a really good player, just wish he was a bit bulkier. He's kind of another Hooper, which is not a bad thing. His ability to make metres is impressive.
mark_s
Chilla Wilson (44)
Crowd has been reported as 11k, which looked about right.
I thought the first half was pretty decent rugby from both teams but it got sloppy in the second half. The early chip from Kurtley was great and set a really positive tone. Both teams had their chances, and will regret some easy tries and second half errors.
For the warratahs, I thought the defence was much improved over last year. The stormers has plenty of ball but struggled to get over the ad line. Defence and line out (and maybe foleys goal kicking) were our highlights. I thought we were a bit impatient with ball in hand and using staniforth as a playmaker/flat footed decoy - wtf?
Great to see so many new young players for the tahs.
Anyway, was good occasion on a nice Sydney night. Everyone was on their feet at the end, it’s been a while since that happened at a tahs game
I thought the first half was pretty decent rugby from both teams but it got sloppy in the second half. The early chip from Kurtley was great and set a really positive tone. Both teams had their chances, and will regret some easy tries and second half errors.
For the warratahs, I thought the defence was much improved over last year. The stormers has plenty of ball but struggled to get over the ad line. Defence and line out (and maybe foleys goal kicking) were our highlights. I thought we were a bit impatient with ball in hand and using staniforth as a playmaker/flat footed decoy - wtf?
Great to see so many new young players for the tahs.
Anyway, was good occasion on a nice Sydney night. Everyone was on their feet at the end, it’s been a while since that happened at a tahs game
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
No BR is right, I was talking about staniforth. Despite his back pedalling I do in fact have evidence of br’s high rating of staniforth (not surprisingly when he was a Brumby) over on the ‘wallabies 2016 and beyond’ thread but due to the issues with the forum and my incompetence with Tapatalk I’m unable to link it. But I’m working on it!
Sorry, I misrepresented you then. My bad.
boyo
Mark Ella (57)
The crowd number was disappointing - many empty seats in the stadium.
Towards the end of the match some of the Tahs' forwards actually ran on to the ball and made ground - how about that. Better than static pick and drives.
I thought that the Tahs were fortunate to get the win after all their handling errors.
Towards the end of the match some of the Tahs' forwards actually ran on to the ball and made ground - how about that. Better than static pick and drives.
I thought that the Tahs were fortunate to get the win after all their handling errors.
KOB1987
John Eales (66)
Yeah it's all good, I'm not going to get in an argument about it, I was just having a dig. There weren't really any specifics about your comments (e.g. whether in attack or defence) but you were basically saying the Waratahs would be well served by having him on the roster and have also advocated him for future Wallaby consideration at times - not the current sarcastic version!
Anyway, he's still young and hopefully he continues to develop.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
I think it does, pull down a maul, be off side, slap the ball away, tackle someone without the ball, they are all negative play and deserve a good slap.
Do it to stop a try and you should spend time in the bin, do it to stop a clear try scoring opportunity, yellow card
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Problem is, difference between just failing to score an intercept try yourself and cynically knocking a ball down to prevent a try is slim to imperceptible. Arbitrary questions like 'did the ball go up after it was touched' are rough at best. I actually kind of agree with Scrubber on this one.
It should never be a yellow and it should only be a penalty when it's absolutely obvious that there was no way the intercept was going to happen.
I am not unhappy with the way it is treated. If you don't get two hands to the ball you're effectively hoping for a bit of a miracle to catch the intercept.
It's a negative piece of play even if it is somewhat instinctual to stick your hand out when the ball is flying past you.
We want less scrum resets, not more so making it an offence that is punished with a penalty/yellow card rather than being an acceptable defensive play to get in the way of a pass seems like the way to officiate it to me.
It's a negative piece of play even if it is somewhat instinctual to stick your hand out when the ball is flying past you.
We want less scrum resets, not more so making it an offence that is punished with a penalty/yellow card rather than being an acceptable defensive play to get in the way of a pass seems like the way to officiate it to me.
The onus needs to be on the players to stop doing it. Sticking your hand out to stop a pass is a negative play and the officiating reflects that.
Lleyds should have been yellow carded and a penalty try given to the Waratahs.
The harsher adjudicating of high and dangerous tackles isn't designed to give out more yellow and red cards. It's designed to change player behaviour so they don't do it.
Lleyds should have been yellow carded and a penalty try given to the Waratahs.
The harsher adjudicating of high and dangerous tackles isn't designed to give out more yellow and red cards. It's designed to change player behaviour so they don't do it.
Or making a tackle to stop a play or being offside, yes the margins are tight
Or making a jarring ball in all tackle or attacking the head
Or competing for a high ball or taking the player out
They are big plays that deserve a big punishment when they are not done effectively
I guess I have more issues with what I see as negative play
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
Slapping a ball down means the player throwing it shouldn't have thrown it in the first place.
Should be a scrum only with the feed given to the attacking side. That is enough of an advantage.
There should be some accountability by the player passing a ball in a 50/50 situation
Should be a scrum only with the feed given to the attacking side. That is enough of an advantage.
There should be some accountability by the player passing a ball in a 50/50 situation
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Eh, yeah the instant yellow for competing for a high ball is garbage too. How many head injuries actually result from a collision in the air?
The best game of the weekend, Blues v Highlanders, was decided entirely by the ref having to send a player for an incidental 'high' tackle that was 80% shoulder and slipped up. Player was fine. Yellows deciding games is dull as hell mate.
The best game of the weekend, Blues v Highlanders, was decided entirely by the ref having to send a player for an incidental 'high' tackle that was 80% shoulder and slipped up. Player was fine. Yellows deciding games is dull as hell mate.
Scrubber2050
Mark Ella (57)
^^^^^^
AND more importantly it ruins the game from a spectator's aspect
AND more importantly it ruins the game from a spectator's aspect
Froggy
Nicholas Shehadie (39)
The whole cynical play thing is a fine line, particularly the intercept. Personally, I think unless it is a blatant knock-down, with clearly no intention to catch the ball, in which case it should be a penalty/yellow, otherwise just a scrum. There are plenty of fingertip knocks of the ball that get re-gathered for an intercept, which is perfectly legitimate, and as Derpus says, is the penalty for throwing a fifty-fifty pass.
Having said that, I am all for cracking down on cynical play, which back in the pre-card days was a real blight on the game. I recall watching a Bledisloe Test, where we needed more than a penalty to win, 5 minutes to go and camped on the AB's line, with Sean Fitzpatrick just deliberately giving away penalty after penalty at the breakdown, knowing that 3 points wasn't going to be enough for us.
The high ball one is genuinely dangerous. If two players are both jumping for the ball, at a time when they can both reasonably expect to catch it, and both are looking at the ball, that's fine. However there are too many instances where one player makes bogus attempt to jump for the ball, knowing full well he's way too late, and the effect is going to be to take the other bloke out. A couple of years ago it became the standard defence ploy against Izzy!
Having said that, I am all for cracking down on cynical play, which back in the pre-card days was a real blight on the game. I recall watching a Bledisloe Test, where we needed more than a penalty to win, 5 minutes to go and camped on the AB's line, with Sean Fitzpatrick just deliberately giving away penalty after penalty at the breakdown, knowing that 3 points wasn't going to be enough for us.
The high ball one is genuinely dangerous. If two players are both jumping for the ball, at a time when they can both reasonably expect to catch it, and both are looking at the ball, that's fine. However there are too many instances where one player makes bogus attempt to jump for the ball, knowing full well he's way too late, and the effect is going to be to take the other bloke out. A couple of years ago it became the standard defence ploy against Izzy!
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