Super Rugby Rd 6 Stormers vs Reds Sun 25th 2.15 AEDST

[TOCC]

It’s not 3 defenders on 2 attackers though.Discounting Toua at fullback, there are clearly more then 2 attackers against 3 defenders. Note that Daugunu and Kerevi both have their shoulders tracking towards the sideline in typical drift defence pattern, however Duncan has overshot his man and turned his shoulders in, this minor hesitation is what gives Rhule the space needed to get around Duncan.

 

[RugbyReg]

Yeah. That’s (and the video) are clear. You can’t pin that on Samu.

 

[Ruggo]

Stormers strangled us with rush defence. We lack game management as we had nothing to counter it.

I'll keep saying it but there is a place for Quade Cooper in this side.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Stormers strangled us with rush defence. We lack game management as we had nothing to counter it.

I'll keep saying it but there is a place for Quade Cooper in this side.

I don't know the answer but it's pretty clear Lance as well as he is playing doesn't have the vision / skills (or something!) to punish things like this, this is the second or maybe third time Lance hasn't punished the opposition for their rush defence. And frankly I don't think he's capable either by boot or by organising his backline.
I do agree Quade would likely have done a better job against this kind of defence, but I don't know if he's the answer -- whatever/whoever the answer is we will be vulnerable until we sort this out. Although looking at it from a helicopter view we don't really care too much right now, sure we want to do well but we more want to gain experience right now.

 

[dru]

Stormers strangled us with rush defence. We lack game management as we had nothing to counter it.

I'll keep saying it but there is a place for Quade Cooper in this side.

I think we'd find that the game management was exactly as instructed, and that Thorn does NOT want a 10 then adjusting the game plan. Our kicking wasn't good enough for the game plan - that's not Lance, or at least not solely Lance.

What I notice is that previous season focus on how flat Quade was or wasn't is suddenly just not a topic of conversation. Lance sits way deeper in the pocket than Quade did. Our backline is being interrupted with the rush defence (a) getting over Lance (force him to run in traffic), (b) getting between Lance and the backline. Like Genia, Frisbey played that 9.5 version of half, but here a second back line or a second forward pod being (well) organised.

But I think it is the plan. To make it better needs better kicking, and at this stage with the strengths the game plan brings, you'd be crazy to change.

 

[wamberal]

There would be a place for Quade in just about any side, as a bench option. That is not to take anything away from his enormous abilities, but I think it is a point worth making. No matter what the game plan, no matter how difficult it would be for Quade to fit in with Thorn's template, every game opens right up in the last 15 or 20 minutes. Defensive and attacking patterns tend to get lost in the panic to win the game, often there are quite a few replacements as well to muddy the waters.


It is precisely in this sort of mess and confusion that somebody like Quade can do something absolutely breathtaking.

 

[Scrubber2050]

But QC (Quade Cooper) doesn't do it any more (for years).

The advantage of playing him is negated by his weaknesses

 

[Shiggins]

Why is the tongon Thor throwing cheap shots everywhere. Shoulders. He even kneed someone on the ground.

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[dru]

But QC (Quade Cooper) doesn't do it any more (for years).

The advantage of playing him is negated by his weaknesses

Yes, you've held this view for years. Some of us still disagree.

 

[Scrubber2050]

Yes, you've held this view for years. Some of us still disagree.

But when it keeps popping up someone has to stay the course.

And I have to admit you are one of Quade's greatest supporters

 

[dru]

But when it keeps popping up someone has to stay the course.

And I have to admit you are one of Quade's greatest supporters

I don't have a problem with having differing views. Just don't think I need to be silent on it.

At any rate, I suspect our current plan with Lance and building Stewart is a good one (once the obvious "now" solution is unavailable).

 

[Scrubber2050]

Has Thor been dealt with yet ?

 

[RugbyReg]

SANZAAR NEWS RELEASE

Taniela Tupou to appear before a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing

Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Taniela Tupou of the Reds will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during a Super Rugby match at the weekend.

Tupou is alleged to have contravened Law 9.13 - A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously, during the match between the Stormers and Reds at DHL Newlands in Cape Town on Saturday 24 March 2018.

The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Robert Stelzner SC (Chairman), Mike Mika and David Croft which will be held by video conference on Tuesday 27 March 2018, 8am(SAST), 5pm(AEDT), 7pm(NZDT).

 

[Zero_Cool]

SANZAAR NEWS RELEASE

Taniela Tupou to appear before a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing

Following initial consideration by the SANZAAR Foul Play Review Committee, Taniela Tupou of the Reds will appear at a SANZAAR Judicial Committee Hearing after being cited for alleged foul play during a Super Rugby match at the weekend.

Tupou is alleged to have contravened Law 9.13 - A player must not tackle an opponent early, late or dangerously, during the match between the Stormers and Reds at DHL Newlands in Cape Town on Saturday 24 March 2018.

The Judicial Committee for the Hearing will be Robert Stelzner SC (Chairman), Mike Mika and David Croft which will be held by video conference on Tuesday 27 March 2018, 8am(SAST), 5pm(AEDT), 7pm(NZDT).

It always boggles my mind, how can there not even be a penalty in the game yet it be a Red Card after the game. I have wondered if there is merit in questioning the officials, and even there being some disciplinary action against the officials -- how can you so completely miss an apparently clear red card. It's still pretty concerning that three officials (and TMO) view it as nothing and yet SANAZAR view it as a Red Card, I would be more understanding if it was a yellow that SANZAR view as a Red but to go from nothing to a Red is a big step.

Having said that, I think it's most likely yellow, if I recall correctly, there was another angle that showed he did wrap one of his arms and it was head on head contact or something, and it's pretty obvious Tupou didn't have any malice in it.

 

[Braveheart81]

Having said that, I think it's most likely yellow, if I recall correctly, there was another angle that showed he did wrap one of his arms and it was head on head contact or something, and it's pretty obvious Tupou didn't have any malice in it.

I think he'll get two or three weeks.

 

[Up the Guts]

and it's pretty obvious Tupou didn't have any malice in it.

Seems like a very nice guy and rarely gets involved in any scraps on the field, unfortunately he hits people with such a tremendous force it puts people in a dangerous situation. Hope SANZAAR take this into consideration.

 

[dru]

It always boggles my mind, how can there not even be a penalty in the game yet it be a Red Card after the game.

What boggles my mind is that in the modern era of pro rugby, we still have rules that can see teams play with less than the full quota of players. I'd prefer a system that always ensures 15 v 15.

I don't know, something like YC = 10 mins off (but replaced), cited and penalty. 15 stay on the field; RC = player removed from the field (but replaced), cited and penalty. After one YC issued, any other player in the team carded is RC.

 

[Zero_Cool]

What boggles my mind is that in the modern era of pro rugby, that we still have rules that can see teams play with less than the full quota of players. I'd prefer a system that always ensures 15 v 15.

I don't know, something like YC = 10 mins off (but replaced), cited and penalty. 5 stay on the field; RC = player removed from the field (but replaced), cited and penalty. After one YC issued, any other player in the team carded is RC.

Yeah, I agree. I think the balance would be to keep the 10 min for a YC and use that as our benchmark and say a RC is double that (20 min) plus the player not participating, but allowing them to be replaced after that time.
Having said that I would like to see the threshold for a RC really requiring the dangerous conduct to be deliberate or reckless.

I think we almost need an intermediate punishment between a penalty and a yellow card for things that are ruining the game rather than being actually dangerous (knock downs for example, but that's a discussion for another time).

I do think there is little need to actually have a game be 14 vs 15 for significant periods of time, any Red card could easily be followed up by a 1 week suspension the following week unless rescinded. We'd probably also see more consistency around the Red Cards too given the punishment isn't completely insane!

 

[Strewthcobber]

I think he'll get two or three weeks.

If he collected his chin (probably) I reckon medium grade = 8 weeks with half off cause he says sorry.

So 4 weeks

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[Braveheart81]

If he collected his chin (probably) I reckon medium grade = 8 weeks with half off cause he says sorry.

So 4 weeks

I've taken off another week for having a clean record and potentially another week on top of that for his first and last name beginning with the same letter and having a Marvel Universe nickname.