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Jimmy Flynn (14)
Can someone please explain how teams are any more or less disadvantaged by being awarded 4 points for a bye as oposed to being awarded 0 points? To me this is a complete non-issue and I genuinely can't understand why posters are so against this format.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Yep. It all equals out in the end but there are advantages to the 4-point bye. Taking this week's table gives a clear example since there are only two teams that have had the extra bye:
- The Stormers have won 89% of their games (the best in the comp at 8 from 9). With 4-point byes they are ranked 2nd, just 1 point off the lead. But with 0-point byes, they would be shown as ranked 5th and 5 points behind the lead. In this case, the 4-point bye makes more sense because 2nd is a better indication that 5th, particularly since they've only lost 1 game and would otherwise be below two sides that have lost 2 games.
- The Brumbies have won 22% of their games (a very poor 2 from 9). With 4-point byes they are ranked 10th, and 8 points ahead of the spoon. But with 0-point byes, they would be shown as 14th and only 4 points off the spoon. In this case, the 0-point bye makes more sense because 14nd is a better indication that 10th, and they are currently ranked above two sides with 3 wins to their paltry 2.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
No. 4-point byes are more accurate over the season for teams at the top of the table. -- These are the teams that count because what is important is the race for the Top-3 and Top-6.
0-point byes are more accurate for the teams at the bottom of the table. -- No one cares, bro.
2-point byes would be more accurate for the teams in the middle of the table. -- Again, not as important as the race for the Top-3 and Top 6.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Oom, is this a cunning plan to get the Pirates/Spears in as a 16th team for ZA?
Don't worry, I think the deal may already be done. They'll be playing within the next 2-5 years, I'd say.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
They cant add only one team now, it have to be three, one for each conferense to keep the balance right. Thats why it will be S18 as from 2013. Thats the promise to the Kings.
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feed_me
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I find the 4 point bye makes the table a lot more difficult mid-round...
For example, coming into a round, the table looks as follows:
Matches Played Competition Points
Blues 4 16
Crusaders 4 12
Stormers 3 12 (including 4 points for a bye)
Reds 4 10
Waratahs 4 8
Say this round the reds have the bye, Blues v Stormers, Cru v Tahs
Say Blues v Stormers is Friday night, Cru v Tahs is Sunday, on Saturday the table looks like this (if say the stormers get 4 points, the blues none, and the points for the reds bye have been added)
Matches Played Competition Points
Blues 5 16
Stormers 4 16 (including 4 points for a bye)
Reds 4 14 (including 4 points for a bye)
Crusaders 4 12
Waratahs 4 8
This makes checking the table mid round a right pain in the ass, as 2 teams who have played 4 games have had byes and their free points, while 2 don't. This could be easily solved if tables included a byes column so you can easily see who has been awarded bye points, but I have yet to come across a table which includes that.
For example, coming into a round, the table looks as follows:
Matches Played Competition Points
Blues 4 16
Crusaders 4 12
Stormers 3 12 (including 4 points for a bye)
Reds 4 10
Waratahs 4 8
Say this round the reds have the bye, Blues v Stormers, Cru v Tahs
Say Blues v Stormers is Friday night, Cru v Tahs is Sunday, on Saturday the table looks like this (if say the stormers get 4 points, the blues none, and the points for the reds bye have been added)
Matches Played Competition Points
Blues 5 16
Stormers 4 16 (including 4 points for a bye)
Reds 4 14 (including 4 points for a bye)
Crusaders 4 12
Waratahs 4 8
This makes checking the table mid round a right pain in the ass, as 2 teams who have played 4 games have had byes and their free points, while 2 don't. This could be easily solved if tables included a byes column so you can easily see who has been awarded bye points, but I have yet to come across a table which includes that.
kiap
Steve Williams (59)
Such a table is here: http://www.superxv.com/table/
They add in the bye points at the end of the weekend too (or at least they used to, haven't checked mid-round recently).
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Maroon Army
Guest
PaarlBok, may I ask where the 3rd team will (assuming one team will be from New Zealand) come from? Will the third team be based in Argentina?
WorkingClassRugger
Michael Lynagh (62)
Hong Kong?
M
Maroon Army
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Japan?
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
Dunno who ever they decide on. One will play in the NZ conferense the other in the Aus conferense.
We have the Argentina Pampas playing in our Vodacom competition and are base in Potchefstroom. They'll play in the semi against the Sharks XV this weekend. Pretty sure NZ will be able to add another team and maybe the Argies then in Aus.
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Maroon Army
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Maybe an Argentinian team could be based on the Gold Coast when they are touring Australia...
Ali's Choice
Jimmy Flynn (14)
I disagree. The PI population in Cairns is tiny compared to Western Sydney, Brisbane's Southside or any of the major NZ cities with Auckland boasting the largest population of Polynesians of any city in the world.
Nusadan
Chilla Wilson (44)
Agree with you, AC, however Cairns hasn't got a winter sports team of any code, can only think of the Taipans basketball team based there, so it would be ripe for the picking...plus it's serviced by an international airport as opposed to Townsville.
It could be feasible to put that team in Western Sydney...but it's a tough market there now with GWS AFL team there now along with many mungo teams.
G
Geeves
Guest
The Pampas in the Vodacom Cup is arguably one of the best things for the Pumas and the SA rugby should be applauded for providing them with the opportunity.
I like the idea but the question is then where are they based. Argentina would provide a huge logistic task but would help develop rugby within the country. There would have to a sizable chunk of change for travel costs.
If they are based in SA. Then what happens to the conferences (an 8*2, a 4 * 4 comp, back to the single table, other). I couldn't see possum head giving up the free national comp in Aus that you get to run under the Super 15. While I sure that neither SA or NZ want to give up the Currie Cup or NPC (yes use old names) under a major expanded comp. Some nasty questions would then have to be addressed.
One thing from this I learnt from this was
If next year you get to play against everyone then its a hell of a lot better.
I like the idea but the question is then where are they based. Argentina would provide a huge logistic task but would help develop rugby within the country. There would have to a sizable chunk of change for travel costs.
If they are based in SA. Then what happens to the conferences (an 8*2, a 4 * 4 comp, back to the single table, other). I couldn't see possum head giving up the free national comp in Aus that you get to run under the Super 15. While I sure that neither SA or NZ want to give up the Currie Cup or NPC (yes use old names) under a major expanded comp. Some nasty questions would then have to be addressed.
One thing from this I learnt from this was
If next year you get to play against everyone then its a hell of a lot better.
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