Stuff the scrum coach. Let's get a bloody kicking and catching coach

[liquor box]

At least one Shute Shield club has a Cross Country Volley Ball grounded Kicking Coach.

Not only do we have to leverage off CCVB skills coaches, but the players need to have the discipline to actually practice those skills to such a level that they are intuitive. I think the figure is 10 000 repetitions.

As much as we dislike the divide by 3 scorelines of the Soap Dodgers when Jonny Wilkonson was playing for them, I have read somewhere that in his prime Wilko practiced his place kicking for 60 minutes before and after every training session. Boring as batdroppings, but it is those countless hours of practice that are rewarded on game day.

repetition is the key, but also takes a lot of time, I once visited the AIS and got a tour, we were told that the Basketballers all had to sink 1000 baskets a day, from anywhere. If they were in a rush then they would be from close range, but the key was doing it a lot.
I wonder how many box kicks Genia practices a day? How many times are the practice kicks caught by a player? These are basic skills that need to be practiced all of the time. (I do hate box kicks though!)

 

[liquor box]

I wonder if Israel Falou has learnt to kick torpedos from his AFL? I assume he has practiced a lot of kicking in the last couple of years so he should be good at it by now and he was also great under a high ball.

I hate getting players from outside of rugby, but he might actually have a skill set now that could actually be very suited to Rugby

 

[Swat]

Interesting that they mentioned last night the AB kicking coach is an Aussie, from Manly I think. Couldn't get a gig anywhere here.
But it is yet another skill which has withered in Oz rugby.

Methinks Kearnsey has been listening to the Podslam

 

[Swat]

Not only do we have to leverage off CCVB skills coaches, but the players need to have the discipline to actually practice those skills to such a level that they are intuitive. I think the figure is 10 000 repetitions.

10 000 repetitions to get the action embedded in your muscle memory. That's the how, now our (brown cow) players need to know when.

 

[It is what it is]

repetition is the key, but also takes a lot of time, I once visited the AIS and got a tour, we were told that the Basketballers all had to sink 1000 baskets a day, from anywhere. If they were in a rush then they would be from close range, but the key was doing it a lot.
I wonder how many box kicks Genia practices a day? How many times are the practice kicks caught by a player? These are basic skills that need to be practiced all of the time. (I do hate box kicks though!)

And here's an idea.....train and practice at night time when the overwhelming majority of your games are played.
The ball travels differently through the air, the ball and surface are a little slippery in Autumn/Winter because of the dew, and you have to catch the bloody thing under LIGHTS!
These guys are professionals but how often do they actually train under match time simulated conditions?

 

[Swat]

And here's an idea...train and practice at night time when the overwhelming majority of your games are played.
The ball travels differently through the air, the ball and surface are a little slippery in Autumn/Winter because of the dew, and you have to catch the bloody thing under LIGHTS!
These guys are professionals but how often do they actually train under match time simulated conditions?

Must be why the Kiwi's are so good, because it's cold and wet all the time
Forgot about England.

 

[It is what it is]

Must be why the Kiwi's are so good, because it's cold and wet all the time
Forgot about England.

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[Hugh Jarse]

Ha ha. In the old days when the game was amateur, the players trained at night time for day time games. Now the exact opposite occurs. Think I am stealing words and concepts from that great rugby philosopher, M Burke.

 

[Linebacker_41]

Ha ha. In the old days when the game was amateur, the players trained at night time for day time games. Now the exact opposite occurs. Think I am stealing words and concepts from that great rugby philosopher, M Burke.

Do you feel dirty stealing this or more dirty cause you are starting to think like him?

 

[Hugh Jarse]

There were times back in the day when the Canberra frost had already settled on the ground before training had finished. That is training at night!

Got out of there for warmer climes with all haste possible.

 

[Aussie D]

Does anyone else remember when the Wallabies had an assistant coach by the name of (Ben?) Perkins. What was his specialty again? Recruited by Rod McQueen and dumped under Eddie Jones from memory..... think it was a cost cutting measure.

 

[Bernie_Larkham]

The ABs kicking coach is Mick Byrne an ex-AFL player from Hawthorne. However he does more than just kicking and catching for the backs.

He also does the forwards kick off receiving particularly with the overhead catch as well as the line-out catching techniques.

He has just been named as the (Auckland) Blues assistant coach with John Kirwan where he will apparently do even more work with the forwards. He has been around the rugby system for quite some time now and picked up on a lot of the technicalities of our game.

It will be interesting to see how he goes at the Blues.

As for the Wallabies, I absolutely agree that we need more specialist coaches who are present for each session and not doing it remotely from South Africa.

Judgig from the way the ABs take all of the kicks, be it bombs or from KOs Id say he has been an outstanding success. Just another area under Deans we have become stupid...

 

[Bernie_Larkham]

Does anyone else remember when the Wallabies had an assistant coach by the name of (Ben?) Perkins. What was his specialty again? Recruited by Rod McQueen and dumped under Eddie Jones from memory... think it was a cost cutting measure.

I think Perkins was mainly focussed on goal kicking. Spent time with Gits from memory. You knew if he had been around as Gits would go through a little purple patch. Never employed full time under Deans from memory, not sure about earlier coaches.

 

[FANATIC]

Here is a suggestion; how about we find a coach to tell the Men in Gold that you only kick when you see an advantage and someone is likely to be able to catch the ball,,, further, that you do not PANIC and constantly kick away possession. Elementary - sigh -

 

[Linebacker_41]

Here is a suggestion; how about we find a coach to tell the Men in Gold that you only kick when you see an advantage and someone is likely to be able to catch the ball,,, further, that you do not PANIC and constantly kick away possession. Elementary - sigh -

Can't agree enough fanatic.

All kicks must be placed so that you can regather or at worst contest for possession.

As a result if you don't have a good defensive lineout then you shouldnt be kicking for the line either.

Our game is about possession, if it wasnt about possession then we would have a rule that you have 6 tackles to score and then you have to give the ball to the opposition.

One thing I hate about the Brumbies is that they kick so much. One thing I love about the Brumbies is that when they play well they kick to get a contest to regather the ball further up the field thus trying to maintain possession.

 

[FANATIC]

Can't agree enough fanatic.

All kicks must be placed so that you can regather or at worst contest for possession.

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to the advantage of possessing the ball.....

You are not saying anything different to me
but you can disagree all you like.

What the Wallabies need to be told after the last two games is DON'T PANIC and then kick the ball to Dagg cause then the ABs are gunna kick yr sorry arses.

 

[Linebacker_41]

to the advantage of possessing the ball...

You are not saying anything different to me
but you can disagree all you like..

LOL - I am not disagreeing at all - probably a poor choice of words on my part - the "enough" at the end was meant to mean I emphatically agree!!!!

 

[What2040]

If this shit kicking exhibited by the Wallabies is a part of the game plan then flog the coach - if it is not part of the game plan then flog the responsible player/s by dropping them to "Z" grade

 

[It is what it is]

We kick because;
- we're not fit enough to run with it
- we have no one in a better position to pass it to because they aren't fit enough to get there.
- we can't run it because support players aren't fit enough to get to the resulting breakdown and secure possession.
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