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Springboks 2010 End Of Year Tour

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Andrew Slack (58)
Latest news is that PdV was due to arrive in France on 18 September to meet with Racing Metro and agree on the use of Frans Steyn and has stood them up for the umpteenth time.

If he doesn't want to pick Steyn he should just say so but he is dealing with whole issue like a child.

"I'll show the little fucker. I just wont pitch up. Who is he to think I should be flying around the world after him."
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
On Steenkamp, I think it's also fair to say that no-one at the start of the season expected either that a) he'd play as much as he did or b) that he'd play as well as he has done. He's very definitely stepped up. Bolters tend not to be contracted; it's the way it happens. For what it's worth, the more games he gets, the better he looks; and I'd play him. I think it could make him a better prop than Beast.

Actually I agree. He seems to be getting better the more he plays and he will have had a good stretch of rest.

More concerning is the fall from grace of the Beast. He can't even make the Sharks starting team.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
Actually I agree. He seems to be getting better the more he plays and he will have had a good stretch of rest.

More concerning is the fall from grace of the Beast. He can't even make the Sharks starting team.

No he can. He was playing all during the 3N. He was forced into the Rest and Recuperation program as a contracted Bok at the end of the 3N. Free State's Harold Verster threw a shit fit and got every contracted Bok pulled from the CC (including stalwalts like Adi Jacobs and Ricky Januarie) because he objected to the Bulls playing Bakkies when he came back from suspension.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
The five big provinces are competing for four CC playoff spots. The Bulls have a shitload of Springboks. The Cheetahs have two (Juan Smith and CJ vd Linde). Only a select group of Boks where going to be rested (based on minutes played/fatigue etc). Free State objected, as the Bulls would have got half of their Boks back. Half of a shitload is alot more than CJ vd Linde. Saru in it's wisdom than voted to hold out all Boks. Including discards who had been playing in the Currie Cup for months, players injured trying to make a comeback, and Bakkies who was about to play his first match in 3 months. Saru can't organize a pissup in a brewery.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
The five big provinces are competing for four CC playoff spots. The Bulls have a shitload of Springboks. The Cheetahs have two (Juan Smith and CJ vd Linde). Only a select group of Boks where going to be rested (based on minutes played/fatigue etc). Free State objected, as the Bulls would have got half of their Boks back. Half of a shitload is alot more than CJ vd Linde. Saru in it's wisdom than voted to hold out all Boks. Including discards who had been playing in the Currie Cup for months, players injured trying to make a comeback, and Bakkies who was about to play his first match in 3 months. Saru can't organize a pissup in a brewery.

You have to admit its a whole new level of funnyness from these clowns. Didn't realize the Beast was under contract.

Really, it's a fucking miracle we ever win anything.
 

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Rod McCall (65)
Guthro Steenkamps season is finished after breaking his arm against WP.

Rassie Erasmus on his way to rescue Snor. Saw this one coming from miles away and hope he get his nails in this one.

Rugby365
Springbok coach Peter de Villiers's job remains safe, as do those of his assistant coaches, but the rumours of Rassie Erasmus joining the Bok management will not go away. In fact, these rumours once again resurfaced - stronger than ever - on Sunday.

Rapport, South Africa's leading rugby newspaper, carried a story on Sunday morning entitled, Rassie, kom help! (Translated - Rassie, come help!)

In that article it says that Erasmus will be unveiled as the new South African Under-20 coach during the next fortnight, whilst he will also assist the embattled Boks on their end-of-season Grand Slam tour of Europe.

According to Rapport, Erasmus will consult to De Villiers and his assistant coaches Dick Muir and Gary Gold, whilst he will also be part of the management team in New Zealand next year when the Boks put their William Webb Ellis trophy on the line.

Such a role, would, arguably, make Erasmus the most powerful coach in South African rugby - as well as making him the frontrunner to replace De Villiers as Bok head honcho after the World Cup.

Erasmus could still face stiff competition from his current WP colleague Allister Coetzee and Heyneke Meyer (the Bulls' Director of Rugby) to land the job as Bok head coach in 2012, but joining the management team now would give him the ideal head start... especially if the team begins to show an improvement with him in the mix.

For all of this to materialise, however, Erasmus will have to be bought out of his current Western Province contract - which is set to run to 2012 - but this is all set to happen, according to rugby365.com's sources.

It is also seems that he will definitely take the vacant SA U20 head coach position. Erasmus did not, it appears, apply formally - but it appears the combining of the roles could make more financial sense to SARU, as well as have the benefit of having arguably the country's leading technical mind dealing with the country's most promising young players.

However, contrary to the Rapport story, it appears that Erasmus may, in fact, not be lost to Western Province immediately.

Reliable SARU sources suggest that he will indeed go on the end-of-year tour - probably with WP defence coach Jacques Nienaber in tow - and then return to Stormers management for the Super 15 before going full-time into the employ of SA Rugby, with a view to taking over post-2011 World Cup.

Like the Bulls it could be a seismic Super 15 for the Stormers with a generational change in order after the tournament; as the likes of Conrad Jantjes, Bryan Habana, Jean de Villiers, Jaque Fourie, Peter Grant, and Schalk Burger all likely to secure lucrative overseas contracts or retire. However, Erasmus is known to be working hard to ensure that the WP youth and coaching structures remain in place for life post-2011.

The powers that be at SA Rugby are seemingly keen to get an 'expert' consultant on board before the year-end tour, SARU President Oregan Hoskins having also admitted as much on Friday when the national body released a statement about the management team - after yet another tumultuous week in SA rugby which led to Hoskins meeting with De Villiers, Gold and Muir in Durban last Thursday "to clear the air".

"It is our intention to seek the input of consultants at some point in the future - we saw what value Eddie Jones brought to an established coaching team in 2007," said Hoskins in the statement - a press release which was sent out to confirm that the coaching trio of De Villiers, Muir and Gold would not be tampered with.

Hoskins added in the statement: "I discussed the principle with all three coaches and they are fully supportive."

Ironically, former Wallabies boss Jones - whom Hoskins referred to in the statement - joined the Bok management ahead of the 2007 World Cup after Erasmus bowed out of the equation, having up till then that year served as the technical advisor to Jake White's Springboks.

Now, it seems, Erasmus will be on board in some capacity at the next World Cup (in New Zealand), which could see his trusted lieutenant - WP defensive coach Jacques Nienaber - also join the Bok fray; at the end of this year and then, later, in a full-time capacity.

Nienaber - who followed Erasmus from Bloemfontein to Cape Town - has made a name for himself this year as a defensive coach of note, having started out as a conditioning coach at the Free State Cheetahs.

Under Nienaber's watch, the Stormers had by far the best defence in the 2010 Super 14 - conceding a staggering 171 points in 13 games - at an average of just 13 points a game. The next best defence was the Waratahs who conceded 22 points a game.

Bok boss De Villiers tried to get Nienaber on board ahead of South Africa's home leg of the 2010 Tri-Nations, but the move was blocked by WP's hierarchy.

However, with SARU set to buy Erasmus out of his current WP contract, he could also insist that they do the same for Nienaber and, perhaps even, other members of the current Province management team.
Rassie currently coaching WP U21s and doing a great job with them. The sooner he joins the better for SA Rugby.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
I don't know if that's good or bad.

So we'll have five coaches. Who's the boss? Who makes the final calls? Look forward to see job descriptions.

Re Steenkamp - that's terrible. Just as he has come good. Opens the door for the Beast or to move CJ to his best position of LH and I hope they give either Wian or Blaauw some opportunities.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Pretty sure Coenie Oosthuizen deserve his change. He has been terrific for the Tin Ears. Must say Rossouw de Klerk (he came on after Guthro got injured) have muscled up impressively since I saw him last. Bet on it he had been pushing busses all year around Loftus. He is a specilist TH tho and I can promise you, write his name down. Biggie in the making.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Seems PdV will bactrack on his idea of resting players. He is under huge pressure to win and won't (can't) back his coaching ability to pull through but hope the old guard can pull it off.

Whatever happens, I hope at least Matfield and Habana remain behind.

Paarl what;s the news on Bekker?

http://www.keo.co.za/2010/10/07/balancing-rest-and-results/

JON CARDINELLI says that Victor Matfield, Morne Steyn and Bryan Habana remain integral to the Boks’ world title defence and need to be rested after the Currie Cup play-offs.

Saru’s press release on Tuesday celebrated the players’ fitness levels to the point where you got the feeling that something was in the pipeline. If the rumours are to be believed, more senior players than initially expected will tour the home unions in November.

While there’s value in taking several seniors abroad, one has to question the motives of taking more. The decision to rest a significant chunk of the first-choice team was taken at the beginning of the year, and there’s little doubt that a terrible Tri-Nations campaign has led to an about-turn in thinking.

Peter de Villiers, having inexplicably escaped the axe, is under pressure to produce. It’s no secret that the senior players have a big say in how the team functions, and so leaving those players at home would be counter-productive to De Villiers’s cause.

The Boks bombed in the 2008 Tri-Nations, winning just two of their six matches. But a clean sweep on the subsequent end-of-year tour kept the majority of critics at bay, and perhaps De Villiers is hoping a successful Grand Slam tour will have the same effect.

But at what cost? Surely the 2010 season is a write-off. If the Boks are serious about winning the 2011 World Cup, some of the players need a break before the most demanding year to date. As was the case in 2006, they need time to switch off mentally and physically.

Flanked by John Smit and Victor Matfield after the Test at Loftus Versfeld, De Villiers said the pair was so exhausted that they didn’t know what it felt like to feel good anymore. Since the tournament’s conclusion, Smit has undergone an operation and will be unavailable for the rest of the year. Matfield will play for the rest of the Bulls’ Currie Cup campaign, and if sense prevails, he should play no more rugby until 2011.

Morne Steyn is another who’s had plenty of rugby in the past two years and could do with a break. Bryan Habana may have recorded a personal best in training this week, but is in need of rest and perhaps a period of reflection following a disappointing run of form. The same goes for Pierre Spies, who was woefully poor in the Tri-Nations.

Those four players need to stay home. And if De Villiers manages the rest of his senior core correctly, he could well have his cake and eat it.

The fixtures against Ireland and Wales are the most important. Ireland are likely to face the Boks in a World Cup quarterfinal, and the Boks don’t want to go into that match having not beaten the Irish since 2004. Wales are in the Boks’ pool, and so there are also psychological points up for grabs in Cardiff.

De Villiers needs to strike a balance between winning games and giving his star players a rest before 2011. He also needs to ensure this tour is about giving young players, who may feature at the World Cup, a chance to prove themselves.

Players like Schalk Burger and Jaque Fourie could feature in the first two matches before returning home to rest and recondition. Senior players like Jean de Villiers, Bakkies Botha, Juan Smith, and Bismarck du Plessis haven’t played much in 2010, and should continue through to the end of the tour.

Francois Hougaard, Juan de Jongh, Francois Louw and Dewald Potgieter should enjoy further opportunities to gain experience, while youngsters like Pat Lambie and Elton Jantjies could get a run against Scotland. Duane Vermeulen would be well suited to northern hemisphere conditions, and a good tour would place pressure on Spies to lift his game.

CJ van der Linde and BJ Botha were off the pace in the Tri-Nations, but if they’re in the Boks’ World Cup plans, they must play in November. Most Test coaches would include Frans Steyn and Ruan Pienaar in their matchday squads, although it remains to be seem whether De Villiers will sort out that management mess.

The team will miss Matfield’s lineout mastery and leadership, but the bloke needs a rest. Smit’s rest is being enforced because of corrective surgery while Habana and Morne Steyn should also get some time off.

I suspect De Villiers may push Steyn to play on, though, given the testing northern hemisphere conditions and the importance of a seasoned kicking flyhalf. If that is the case, then Steyn must be carefully managed, playing the first two Tests before jetting home for some R&R.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
More evidence that PdV is backtracking with the conditioning staff trumpeting over what wonderful shape players are in.

Looks like he will squeeze every last ounce of life out of what he has rather than take soem risk and grow the player pool.
http://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/101006/Change_of_Bok_plan_for_tour

Victor Matfield © Gallo Images

Change of Bok plan for tour?

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by Gavin Rich 06 October 2010, 09:36

There could be a change to the Springbok plans for the end-of-year tour to Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England.

During the Tri-Nations season, Bok coach Peter de Villiers announced an intention to rest 13 of his contracted players for the tour, which starts with a test against Ireland in Dublin in just over four weeks from now. That was in answer to the criticism he was receiving for the poor Bok performances and the perception that many of the top players were fatigued.

However, after a four-week conditioning programme which reported back positive results, De Villiers appears to be reconsidering that line, according to a statement that he has released after the players were tested in Cape Town earlier this week.

“This conditioning phase has worked as well as we could ever have hoped,” said De Villiers.

“The guys have come back refreshed and hungry for rugby and have given us food for thought for our conditioning process now.”

Skipper John Smit is definitely out of the tour after undergoing an operation, but De Villiers’s statement appears to suggest that Victor Matfield, for one, could be in line to tour after all, along with fellow stalwarts such as Schalk Burger and Jaque Fourie.

PRESSURE TO PRODUCE RESULTS

Given the pressure he is now under to produce results – and the South African Rugby Union have made no secret of this in their statements post last week’s Tri-Nations review – it is understandable that De Villiers might now want as strong a team as possible on tour.

The thought of the coach being availed with the opportunity to make the excuse that he did not have his best players available should the Boks fail in the United Kingdom was always questionable given that the nation should be expecting him to provide some evidence that he can rescue the mess that the Boks have found themselves in.

Coming home from the UK with a record that reads played four and lost two but writing it off as what should be anticipated when the team is under-strength would surely not be acceptable to fans at a time when, since the end of the 2009 Tri-Nations season, the Bok record already reads played 13, lost seven.

If the Boks are to go into the World Cup build-up with any confidence, and if the supporters are to have any confidence in De Villiers and his coaching team, the current slide cannot be allowed to continue. Coupled with that is the fact that De Villiers leans heavily on his senior players in the coaching department, which could mean the Boks will be in serious trouble if they travel with an under-strength team, particularly as there is now plenty of evidence that De Villiers does not have confidence in his assistant coaches to do that job.

LOOKING TO RESTORE PRIDE

Having the top players available and refreshed and hungry after a break from the game would certainly boost the Bok chances of restoring pride on the tour, although you would have to question the wisdom of cutting down the time the players will have to use in the off-season for recuperations before the beginning of a long World Cup year in February.

In 2007 the Boks benefitted at the start of what at the time was to prove an unprecedentedly successful Super 14 season, from then coach Jake White’s decision to leave most of the top players behind on the 2006 November tour of Ireland and England. Even though severely depleted, and after a disastrous start against Ireland, White’s virtually second-string Boks still managed to use the tour to boost confidence by breaking their long hoodoo against England at Twickenham.

As England were to prove their only major obstacle to the World Cup title the following year, the win at Twickenham (there were two tests at Twickenham, with the Boks losing the first to a last-minute kick) was to prove a significant moment in their buildup.

Bok conditioning coach Neels Liebel said in a statement on Monday that he was happy with the progress shown by the players.

“The players are in great shape and a number of personal bests have been set by them,” said Liebel.

According to Liebel the players who set personal bests in strength tests included CJ van der Linde, Bismarck du Plessis, Bakkies Botha and Danie Rossouw, while Bryan Habana and Jaque Fourie “were the quickest we have ever tested at sea level”.
 

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Colin Windon (37)
Nienaber coaching the defence is A Good Thing.

KleinOs Gurthro breaking his arm is A Very, Very Bad Thing. Poor bastard will be lucky to get to the RWC now.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
Nienaber coaching the defence is A Good Thing.

KleinOs Gurthro breaking his arm is A Very, Very Bad Thing. Poor bastard will be lucky to get to the RWC now.

Apparently a clean break that required no surgery so he will be ready come Super 14.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
Seems PdV will bactrack on his idea of resting players. He is under huge pressure to win and won't (can't) back his coaching ability to pull through but hope the old guard can pull it off.

Whatever happens, I hope at least Matfield and Habana remain behind.

Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic comes to mind.
 

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Billy Sheehan (19)
So when do the Boks select the official squad?

I think after the Currie Cup final on the 30th? That gives them only a week together (minus plan rides to the NH etc) before the Ireland game. Not an auspicious way to start a grand slam tour.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
So when do the Boks select the official squad?

If memory serves the players not involved in the final are called into camp early and the squad is finalised after the cc final. Leaves no time for preparation which is part of the reason we have been struggling a bit on tour in the last couple of years. Other than a useless as fuck coach of course.
 

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Colin Windon (37)
By the bye, from what I saw of Steyn over the weekend, PdV may well have a point. He did not seem any great loss, still less worth special treatment.

And btw, keep away from Onse Wiantjie when you're up here, too; the wa is uitspanned, and he's ours now. ;)
 

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Rod McCall (65)
The WP Bokke were pretty impressive over the weekend. Even Januarie look like he had been on a pie diet and played very well. I am not that worried about the little preparation , more about injuries which tend to happen when this lot get stuck into each other. If the selectors pick the provinces combinations like Hougaard & Steyn, Bakkies & Matfield, Jean/Juan/Mossie, Habana (he look miles better then last time for the Bokke), we'll be OK.
 
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