Southern Kings OUT of Super Rugby next year

[Mank]

The way the Lions destroyed the Wallabies last week is a big warning sign for Sanzar rugby. The NH has caught up and look like getting ahead.

Surely you're joking. The NH get a win now and then, but the Lions tour was hardly indicative of anything!

The SH big star players are all on the chicken run up north and their rugby showed it. For SA it make so much sense moving our game up north. Players are already in their leagues plus the time zone is 100%

No. Despite our differences with the NZ and OZ administrators, and sometimes fans, the better quality rugby is still down south. The move to the NH has been discussed so many times and I remain unconvinced.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

It was introduced and championed by one John O'Neill who saw the gap the get SANZAR to fund more local rugby.

Saru then turned around and said you guys got the Force franchise we want another one.

Watch out those same elastics have a way of shooting you in your own eye.

Anyone who gives a shit we have this messy bed now and have to lie in the damn thing

The Conference System was a means of accommodating the additional team/s without running the Super Rugby Season right through the touring window... It was not a result who gets the extra team. It was the format selected from about 3 models in order to accommodate 15 clubs. As far as I know, both the ARU and the NZRU were not opposed to it, as they did not want to increase the player workload - SARU were pushing for it, as it reduced the amount of travelling, and it provided more 'blocks' of travel than the existing format. The intention was to have a 15-team competition, with 5 teams from each country - the 'Spears' were mooted to be included in the Australian Conference, but that was never really ever going to gain any support (as it was pointless) hence, the Melbourne Rebels franchise was put forward from a small list of candidates in Oz - there was also the Southern Spears,(and I seem to remember another - but I cannot recall whom).

In any case, all that has NOTHING to do with the original statement regarding the Wooden Spoon. When the comp goes to 18 clubs in 2015 / 16, then I am sure 1 additional team from SA will be included to keep the number at 18 (plus two from elsewhere - not Oz & not NZ). When that happens, I feel confident that SA will keep their dominance of the bottom 2 positions at their present levels...

 

[PaarlBok]

The Conference System was a means of accommodating the additional team/s without running the Super Rugby Season right through the touring window. It was not a result who gets the extra team. It was the format selected from about 3 models in order to accommodate 15 clubs. As far as I know, both the ARU and the NZRU were not opposed to it, as they did not want to increase the player workload - SARU were pushing for it, as it reduced the amount of travelling, and it provided more 'blocks' of travel than the existing format. The intention was to have a 15-team competition, with 5 teams from each country - the 'Spears' were mooted to be included in the Australian Conference, but that was never really ever going to gain any support (as it was pointless) hence, the Melbourne Rebels franchise was put forward from a small list of candidates in Oz - there was also the Southern Spears,(and I seem to remember another - but I cannot recall whom).

In any case, all that has NOTHING to do with the original statement regarding the Wooden Spoon. When the comp goes to 18 clubs in 2015 / 16, then I am sure 1 additional team from SA will be included to keep the number at 18 (plus two from elsewhere - not Oz & not NZ). When that happens, I feel confident that SA will keep their dominance of the bottom 2 positions at their present levels.

Seems like you miss the real reasoning for the conferense system totally? The only reason they decided on it was because the derby matches draw the biggest crowds and TV viewers. The biggest money spinners. Anyway maybe I should just leave you on your own.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Seems like you miss the real reasoning for the conferense system totally? The only reason they decided on it was because the derby matches draw the biggest crowds and TV viewers. The biggest money spinners. Anyway maybe I should just leave you on your own.

yes... and u can then ignore the discussion you originally wanted to start... all those bottom of the table finishes.

 

[Hell West & Crooked]

Surely you're joking. The NH get a win now and then, but the Lions tour was hardly indicative of anything!



No. Despite our differences with the NZ and OZ administrators, and sometimes fans, the better quality rugby is still down south. The move to the NH has been discussed so many times and I remain unconvinced.

It has to be a joke - 4 Northern Hemisphere nations get a 2-1 result against the no. 3 ranked country, and suddenly its a wake-up call? seriously??? No excuses for the Wallabies, but even ensign pulver has admitted that in future the wobbs will need a couple of warm-up matches before they take on the Lions again.

Given what we have seen in the last month, that Lions side could play 3 tests against the current AIGs and be lucky to even get across the Line.

Before making any more ridiculous comments, have a look at what the 3 SH Teams do individually on their autumn tour, prior to deciding where wake-up calls are required... In any case, France have traditionally carried the weight of the NH at most previous World Cups, and have never been shown to be too far behind - even England got across the line once, so I cannot see a context where this is a wake-up call in any way shape or form.

The Wake ups areas for the wallabies are the same ones as they were in 2003.

 

[PaarlBok]

It has to be a joke - 4 Northern Hemisphere nations get a 2-1 result against the no. 3 ranked country, and suddenly its a wake-up call? seriously??? No excuses for the Wallabies, but even ensign pulver has admitted that in future the wobbs will need a couple of warm-up matches before they take on the Lions again.

Given what we have seen in the last month, that Lions side could play 3 tests against the current AIGs and be lucky to even get across the Line.

Before making any more ridiculous comments, have a look at what the 3 SH Teams do individually on their autumn tour, prior to deciding where wake-up calls are required. In any case, France have traditionally carried the weight of the NH at most previous World Cups, and have never been shown to be too far behind - even England got across the line once, so I cannot see a context where this is a wake-up call in any way shape or form.

The Wake ups areas for the wallabies are the same ones as they were in 2003.

That third test scoreboard dont make nice reading. Maybe you should watch a replay.

 

[southsider]

That third test scoreboard dont make nice reading. Maybe you should watch a replay.

its four teams against one, with a guy in a key position who played very ordinary......bit of perspective.

The lions should really smash whatever they play every single time

 

[PaarlBok]

its four teams against one, with a guy in a key position who played very ordinary..bit of perspective.

The lions should really smash whatever they play every single time

? Dunno where this come from. Maybe in the good old days when they had proper long tours. To get them into a winning unit in two weeks aint easy.

 

[JJJ]

Do you think a NH national team (with 0 warm-up matches) would beat a team of players picked from the best of the boks, ABs and Wallabies?

 

[Pusser]

Why not merge the Brumbies and the Waratahs?

I know this was a joke but it is in very bad taste.


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[PaarlBok]

Do you think a NH national team (with 0 warm-up matches) would beat a team of players picked from the best of the boks, ABs and Wallabies?

Dunno, will probably never happen. I have seen in the good old touring days many an international team losing to no name teams.

 

[Pusser]

Dunno, will probably never happen. I have seen in the good old touring days many an international team losing to no name teams.

They made a very good stage play about Munster beating the All Blacks in an otherwise undefeated tour. (Not that Munster is exactly a no name team)


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[Sidbarret]

The Conference System was a means of accommodating the additional team/s without running the Super Rugby Season right through the touring window. It was not a result who gets the extra team. It was the format selected from about 3 models in order to accommodate 15 clubs. As far as I know, both the ARU and the NZRU were not opposed to it, as they did not want to increase the player workload - SARU were pushing for it, as it reduced the amount of travelling, and it provided more 'blocks' of travel than the existing format. The intention was to have a 15-team competition, with 5 teams from each country - the 'Spears' were mooted to be included in the Australian Conference, but that was never really ever going to gain any support (as it was pointless) hence, the Melbourne Rebels franchise was put forward from a small list of candidates in Oz - there was also the Southern Spears,(and I seem to remember another - but I cannot recall whom).

It was never clear who pushed for what during the negotiation that lead to the Super 15, but Australia were definitely the biggest beneficiaries.

The extra derby games help Australia (and New Zealand to a lesser extent), but all South Africa did was swap Currie Cup games for Super rugby games.

PS. before continuing with your quite enjoyable rant about the shitness of the worst South African side you might want to check their record against aussie sides this year.

 

[en_force_er]

I know this was a joke but it is in very bad taste.


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[southsider]

? Dunno where this come from. Maybe in the good old days when they had proper long tours. To get them into a winning unit in two weeks aint easy.

Nor is playing four good rugby playing nations that combine together.

exactly what the person above me said, if the SH teams combined you reckon theyd need two weeks to beat one of the home nations? Id go as far as to say they could probably do it without having a training session together.

 

[Ruggo]

This is turning into a bitchy thread.

I think we have seen one of the most competitive super rugby seasons ever. 2 sides from each conference in the finals is a fair indication also.

The SA conference has been great this year. I have been following the Cheetahs all the way through and fantastic they are taking it to the big three. The Kings have punched above their weight also.

Each conference has some good things come out this year.

 

[PaarlBok]

Well to behonest if you watched the last round of matches, you have to go to Newlands to see a full house crowd with lots of passion and a Stormers team with only pride to play for knocking out ten spades of shite out of the SA Conferense winner to fully appreciate the way us Saffers play and love the game and contribute to SupeRugby. The Kings maybe a bit of a flop this year but you have to look further then only 2013. In two years time they will be included and will be ready for SupeRugby IF they ;earn from this years mistakes. This relegation/promotion keep our franchises honest.

 

[Shiggins]

The kings didn't have a Bad year at all. winning one game would of been great let alone drawing against the brumbies away from home and didn't they beat someone away from home?

 

[Dan54]

Man, I not sure why there are too many moans. I personally thought the Kings were a good addition to comp, reasonable players and seemed to have good supporters. I personally don't have big problem with conference system, I know,I know everyone doesn't play blah blah blah...,but generally best 3-4 teams are in finals so it works as good as anything. It never absolutely fair with teams having different travel problems etc under old formt anyway, but hell it will do me for now.
Paarl, if Saffa teams want out of SANZAR, so be it, I personally would miss them, as I really enjoy SA rugby, but I think the world would carry on. Oh and good luck being welcomed into Heineken Cup and 6N. Would hurt earnings in SH for a while, but I'm sure something can be sorted.

 

[Braveheart81]

Surely the biggest thing stopping South Africa joining the Northern Hemisphere competitions is the opposite seasons.

Who (including South Africans) are going to want to play rugby in South Africa in the middle of Summer?

I see that as a deal breaker.

Putting their biggest winter on a collision course with the South African cricket season is surely a bad idea as well.