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Southern Kings OUT of Super Rugby next year

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Joe Mac

Joe Mac

Arch Winning (36)
kronic said:
Agree with grouping RSA/Arg and AUS/NZ.

This is something similar to the NFL structure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Regular_season

We could use the term conference to describe the franchise grouping within a country and league for the conference groupings.

How would the finals be structured? Would it be an intra-league play-off, to determine a overall winner, so it would be a league vs league final OR would the play-offs be a completely separate competition?
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The finals:

Week 1

The #1 ranked team from each conference has the first week of the finals off.

The #2 team from each conference hosts the #3 team from the opposing conference. The winner of this game progesses to week 2 of finals.


Week 2

The #1 ranked team from each conference hosts a home game against the winner of week 1 finals.


Week 3

The winners of the semi's play eachother in a grand final- the home game goes to the team with highest points in the conference rounds.
 
kronic

kronic

John Solomon (38)
So that's the league vs league final scenario opposed to the separate competition.

I'd imagine this scenario plays into the hands of the conference system critics. As you could essentially win the competition without playing a single team from one conference, opposed to two teams at the moment.
 
Bardon

Bardon

Peter Fenwicke (45)
If they were going to allow Argentinian and Japanese teams into super rugby it's not too much of a stretch to think that Uruguay might be able to put together a franchise too and teams could play the Argentinian & Uruguayan teams in one stretch.

Also if the number of teams does expand significantly at some point there's an opportunity to increase the number of teams involved in the finals and maybe go to a full quarter final after the conference section.

The big challenge will probably be ensuring that most teams still get to host the big crowd draws from a revenue point of view without lengthening the season too much.

It certainly makes sense for the Argentinians and also for countries who are possibly going to enter the Rugby Championship within the next year to have their players playing in Super Rugby. National protectionism means that the 3 countries already there have rules to ensure their are few foreign players taking spots from home grown talent. So Super Rugby franchises in Argentina and those other countries seems like a logical path to take.

It's also possible that the new teams may not be overly competitive to begin with. So to keep interest there could be a 2nd tier finals after the conference stage. Kind of like the way teams who finish 3rd in HEC groups drop down to the Challenge Cup. This would give the other teams something to play for and games that under the current system were dead rubbers might have something riding on them.
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
BPC said:
Perhaps a hedge fund?
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Aha love it. But still, a sport like rugby thrives on business people being willing to give a lot of money for not much in return.

kronic said:
Agree with grouping RSA/Arg and AUS/NZ.

How would the finals be structured? Would it be an intra-league play-off, to determine a overall winner, so it would be a league vs league final OR would the play-offs be a completely separate competition?
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Presuming you have 2 conferences with 2 divisions each you could have all division winners qualify plus the next best in each conference. From there, seed them and have a finals series like the one we have now.

Still, I do think inferring Argentina can provide 4 teams is a push, one could easily debate even 3 is too hard.
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Bardon said:
If they were going to allow Argentinian and Japanese teams into super rugby it's not too much of a stretch to think that Uruguay might be able to put together a franchise too and teams could play the Argentinian & Uruguayan teams in one stretch.

I disagree. I've never heard of any demand (external or internal) for Uruguay starting a professional team. I doubt it exists even close to the level to attract investors to the region.

If you're going to suggest a region in the America that's a long shot, why not Vancouver/British Columbia in Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Rugby_Union) or California in America (featuring the most focused club and uni teams). I don't think either are particularly viable options but I'd suggest more viable that Uruguay, who has less local fans/players.

It's also possible that the new teams may not be overly competitive to begin with. So to keep interest there could be a 2nd tier finals after the conference stage. Kind of like the way teams who finish 3rd in HEC groups drop down to the Challenge Cup. This would give the other teams something to play for and games that under the current system were dead rubbers might have something riding on them.

If you were to go rapid expansion like you suggest this wouldn't be the worst idea, perhaps throw in the Pacific Rugby Cup teams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Rugby_Cup) in the same way the Bucharest Wolves play in the Amlin. Still, it's all a pipe dream I think. Rugby in Argentina is possible, but unlikely in the current climate, and outside of that it's almost unimaginable.
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WorkingClassRugger

WorkingClassRugger

Michael Lynagh (62)

There may not be a great demand for professional Rugby in Uruguay or Chile but I certainly think it could be at least worthwhile considering as both would in time become more competitive. Particularly Chile who are the second best nations behind Argentina in terms of their recent junior teams and their current U20s actually bet the Argentine U19s a couple of months ago.
 
PaarlBok

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
I try my outmost best to stay clear of this one but could not resist.

Saru farked up big time by promising this lot S15 and it will cost them. Its a tragedy the position this leave the Lions and it hurt them the longer this drag out. The lost young players like Hattingh and now Willemse (U20 lock) over the Jukskei because of this and no way all their players will just simply go to the Kings. Once again its the SA way of provincial contracting that makes it different to NZ. Its provincial contracting and a lot of worthy S15 players not playing at the top provincial S15 franchise level compare to NZ. The Kings is now only start looking like a premier CC provincial and they first have to get there on merit before they should think about S15 rugby. Meanwhile the Lions players will just either go to the other big SA franchises or will chicken run to other countries.

Anyway my proposed S15/18 ending in a S100 proposal.

Include Argentina and make the CC/ITM part of SupeRugby. The conferense part will be a CC/ITM/Aus should start its own one and suppose Argentina have their own inhouse competition. All the money made from this competition (TV rights/attendances) stay with the country. Then the top 2 teams from each country play in the business end in a SANZAR knock out qauter/semi/final format to get to the winner.

As easy as pie.
 
liquor box

liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
PaarlBok said:
I try my outmost best to stay clear of this one but could not resist.

Saru farked up big time by promising this lot S15 and it will cost them. Its a tragedy the position this leave the Lions and it hurt them the longer this drag out. The lost young players like Hattingh and now Willemse (U20 lock) over the Jukskei because of this and no way all their players will just simply go to the Kings. Once again its the SA way of provincial contracting that makes it different to NZ. Its provincial contracting and a lot of worthy S15 players not playing at the top provincial S15 franchise level compare to NZ. The Kings is now only start looking like a premier CC provincial and they first have to get there on merit before they should think about S15 rugby. Meanwhile the Lions players will just either go to the other big SA franchises or will chicken run to other countries.

Anyway my proposed S15/18 ending in a S100 proposal.

Include Argentina and make the CC/ITM part of SupeRugby. The conferense part will be a CC/ITM/Aus should start its own one and suppose Argentina have their own inhouse competition. All the money made from this competition (TV rights/attendances) stay with the country. Then the top 2 teams from each country play in the business end in a SANZAR knock out qauter/semi/final format to get to the winner.

As easy as pie.
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The Reds could provide food and board for a good young prop if that will help:), and his brothers
 
PaarlBok

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
liquor box said:
The Reds could provide food and board for a good young prop if that will help:), and his brothers
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Look like you already have the Smith Twins Boet. The Lions two fatties who were impressive in the last couple of matches roots from the Southern Cape, Adriaanse is a Paarl Gym boy and JC is from Oakdale, best they return home.
 
Braveheart81

Braveheart81

Will Genia (78)
Staff member
Merging two teams at opposite ends of the country seems like a strange choice.

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Port Elizabeth and Johannesburg are hardly close together.
 
Sidbarret

Sidbarret

Fred Wood (13)
That article contains absolutely no facts, the journalist doesn't even claim that she has any evidence.

Might be true, but that article is simple rumour mongering disguised as a news piece.
 
Pfitzy

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Because that doesn't make any sense, of course.

The competition has 15 teams. SARFU chose to screw with that. So they have to fix it.

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I hate autocorrect ...
 
en_force_er

en_force_er

Geoff Shaw (53)
Pfitzy said:
Because that doesn't make any sense, of course.

The competition has 15 teams. SARFU chose to screw with that. So they have to fix it.
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Fair enough. It doesn't really make sense to merge them but you're right, it really isn't our problem.

Either way, there's a promotion/relegation match sceduled that the Kings should win.
 
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