Smith boned?

[waratahjesus]

he is playing with brown and hodgo who are both non international standard players, he should be all over them.

 

[Ash]

Ths year, both Brown and Hodgson were very effective S14 players though.

Out of Waugh and Smith, I think that Pocock has the highest workrate and can cover the most ground. Pocock also has the ability to link with his backs. Pocock does not read the game as well as the other two, but it will come. As his reading of the game improves, so should his pilfering stats.

 

[waratahjesus]

they should switch pocok to 6 at the force, just to be a ball runner and hit the rucks, i dont think he has the influence to be a player in the turnover stakes

 

[Cutter]

What Smith does well is make contributions that bring results. Wasnt there a test earlier in the year where he threw the last pass for 3 tries? He also makes crucial turnovers and does a lot of tidying up. Pocock does more work, yes. However he is still less effective than Smith for the reasons mentioned.

I would play Pocock in front of Waugh who I think has lost it in the last 2 years. Pocock is the Philip Hughes of the Wallabies. Not quite there but plenty of talent. Smith is still the Ponting and Waugh is the Brad Hodge.

 

[Biffo]

What Smith does well is make contributions that bring results. Wasnt there a test earlier in the year where he threw the last pass for 3 tries? He also makes crucial turnovers and does a lot of tidying up.

The Wallabies scored 3 tries in one test this year?

 

[Scorz]

It'll just be that Robbie ran Pocock there to get the 1st team used to him and not Smith for the "First 5 minute Injury" Scenario. He won't want to have that ugly bastard :waugh: on the bench just because of that; What chance do these teams get to run around and experience different combo's these days? Far call.

 

[Spook]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

 

[Cutter]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

You mean like the English circa 2003?

 

[Spook]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

You mean like the English circa 2003?

I think they had a fair bit of depth back then that we don't. Do you not think it's important to allow the younger players to gain experience?

 

[waratahjesus]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

'workrate' can be a misleading thing, like hindmarsh for parramatta, biggest workrate in rugby league, but is he actually going to win you a game?

i prefer my seven to be invovled for the benifit of the team not just for stats, ben alexander can hit rucks, but does he make a difference when he gets there?

 

[Cutter]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

You mean like the English circa 2003?

I think they had a fair bit of depth back then that we don't. Do you not think it's important to allow the younger players to gain experience?

Not at the expense of putting your best team on the paddock for a test match. Pocock should start on the bench until he demands selection or Smith retires. He is getting experience from the bench and, if he develops, will be ready to start in due course.

 

[chief]

Pocock can have experience off the bench. And in mid-week matches.

 

[fatprop]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

'workrate' can be a misleading thing, like hindmarsh for parramatta, biggest workrate in rugby league, but is he actually going to win you a game?

i prefer my seven to be invovled for the benifit of the team not just for stats, ben alexander can hit rucks, but does he make a difference when he gets there?

I would rather have 8 pigs with fantastic workrates and consistency than a group talented players who do "special things" randomly. They are forwards for f*ck sake.

You look at an AB pack on song, they work hard for 80 mins as a unit. They may not be dominant in the first minute, the they grind you down and keep on coming, hitting every ruck, making those tackles.

 

[waratahjesus]

As fatprop said, Pocock's work rate is just as good as Smiths. He needs game time. We don't want 15 older blokes on the field in 2011 without having any decent backup.

'workrate' can be a misleading thing, like hindmarsh for parramatta, biggest workrate in rugby league, but is he actually going to win you a game?

i prefer my seven to be invovled for the benifit of the team not just for stats, ben alexander can hit rucks, but does he make a difference when he gets there?

but the all blacks forwards can also catch and pass, our backs struggle with that so there isnt really a point comparing them.

what i meant was, i can substitute workrate for someone that is more effective. if you watch someone like pocock he is second man in alot and defends around the edge of rucks so he can get the one out tackles. it pushes up his stats but that should be were the front rowers stand while pocock uses his agility to make tackles wider, it puts his stats down, but it makes him a more effective team player.

its the same with the gits 10/12 argument, gits is more effective at 12, so what if he doesnt touch the ball as much there and barnes kicks it away, he will get more effective ball.


I would rather have 8 pigs with fantastic workrates and consistency than a group talented players who do "special things" randomly. They are forwards for f*ck sake.

You look at an AB pack on song, they work hard for 80 mins as a unit. They may not be dominant in the first minute, the they grind you down and keep on coming, hitting every ruck, making those tackles.

 

[Biffo]

WJ, were you going to suggest Tom Carter as the number 7?

 

[Epi]

WJ, were you going to suggest Tom Carter as the number 7?

He'd be a better 7 than a 12..

 

[waratahjesus]

WJ, were you going to suggest Tom Carter as the number 7?

why would you play the countrys best 12 at 7, this better be a joke!

 

[Biffo]

WJ, were you going to suggest Tom Carter as the number 7?

why would you play the countrys best 12 at 7, this better be a joke!

A better joke is your blank post - just a quote. Not at all like you

 

[Moses]

WJ's never been short of words before..

 

[Groucho]

he is playing with brown and hodgo who are both non international standard players, he should be all over them.

Multiple opensides playing together don't 'compete' with each other : they spread the workload systemically.