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Shute Shield 2017

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Sydney Middleton (9)
Do Easts have an obligation each week to pick Mack Mason?
From what I've seen Archie King is a country mile ahead of Mason.
Mason didn't look like he had anything verse Randwick on tv, Archie always looked threatening back at 10 against Gordon on the weekend!
Mack Mason did not come cheap!!
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Do Easts have an obligation each week to pick Mack Mason?
From what I've seen Archie King is a country mile ahead of Mason.
Mason didn't look like he had anything verse Randwick on tv, Archie always looked threatening back at 10 against Gordon on the weekend!
Me too.
id pick King every day. I don't think he's super rugby standard though - so that makes me question the process that see Mason come to the Tahs - as ILTW says its the emperor's new clothes.
 

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Paul McLean (56)
Me too.
id pick King every day. I don't think he's super rugby standard though - so that makes me question the process that see Mason come to the Tahs - as ILTW says its the emperor's new clothes.

I wonder how many players are playing off shore, or interstate becuase of selections like this?
I wonder how our players playing abroad would compete as a barbarian soup team, and whether they would be heading our conference?
 

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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I wonder how many players are playing off shore, or interstate becuase of selections like this?
I wonder how our players playing abroad would compete as a barbarian soup team, and whether they would be heading our conference?
Well, meakes - nephew of one of your old stagers as it happens - could get no traction here.
 

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Jason Little (69)
It seems to be a recent phenomenon that ex-schoolboy/U20s No 10s are simply not measuring up when brought in at higher levels.

Examples - McIntyre, Jooste, Mason, Deegan, even Horwitz in the No 10 spot. It's early days yet, but I can see Hamish Stewart also adding to this list based on his outings for the Reds.

Too many who do the pretty things at the lower levels but who perhaps haven't got the physicality to succeed at the higher levels?
 

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John Solomon (38)
It seems to be a recent phenomenon that ex-schoolboy/U20s No 10s are simply not measuring up when brought in at higher levels.



Examples - McIntyre, Jooste, Mason, Deegan, even Horwitz in the No 10 spot. It's early days yet, but I can see Hamish Stewart also adding to this list based on his outings for the Reds.



Too many who do the pretty things at the lower levels but who perhaps haven't got the physicality to succeed at the higher levels?



All these fly halves (Mason, McIntyre, Deegan, Hegarty etc)are all of the same mould. They all play deep and lateral with minimal running threat and struggle with 'ad-lib' footy (they can quick though)
I think their success is due to their suitability in the overly structured football that is favoured in the Junior ranks.
 

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Paul McLean (56)
It seems to be a recent phenomenon that ex-schoolboy/U20s No 10s are simply not measuring up when brought in at higher levels.

Examples - McIntyre, Jooste, Mason, Deegan, even Horwitz in the No 10 spot. It's early days yet, but I can see Hamish Stewart also adding to this list based on his outings for the Reds.

Too many who do the pretty things at the lower levels but who perhaps haven't got the physicality to succeed at the higher levels?



In the system players that might be rockstars at school - struggle when playing with seasoned adults.

On Face book - I see Tah's and Camp Wallaby doing all this things at private schools???????
65% of kids don't go to private schools.
A very High % of NRL / Cricket / AFL stars did their schooling in the public system. Is there any reason why there couldn't be rugby stars in the public system????????
 
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In the system players that might be rockstars at school - struggle when playing with seasoned adults.

On Face book - I see Tah's and Camp Wallaby doing all this things at private schools???????
65% of kids don't go to private schools.
A very High % of NRL / Cricket / AFL stars did their schooling in the public system. Is there any reason why there couldn't be rugby stars in the public system????????

Rugby used to be strong in the public schools.
Used to be.
 
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Do you recall how Australian Rugby used to be back then?

When NSW2s won the National Schools Championships last season, beating NSW1s in the Final, Hugh Jarse and Lee Grant reminded everyone that the same thing happened in 1977.

It was certainly a historic win and cause to hark back to the last time NSW2s had beaten the 1s in a Final.

1977 was the year the Ella brothers played school rugby for Matraville High. Mark and Glen played for NSW2s and Gary played for the 1s.

All 3 made the Aussie Schoolboys team, coached by Matraville High's Geoff Mould. That team toured Great Britain and received rave reviews. Its still referred to as being the greatest Schoolboy team ever.

At one game the entire Welsh rugby team stood and applauded the great display of running rugby by the Aussies. It was a star studded team. Wally Lewis couldnt crack it for a starting spot ahead of Mark Ella. Ricky Stewart played scrum half.

Im not sure how many of that team were from public schools but there used to be strong schoolboy competitions in Sydney played on a Wednesday. It would be interesting to know how many were from public schools.

The Waratah Shield was fiercely contested. Matraville High won it 5 times. That school produced Russel Fairfax as well as other Randwick greats and Internationals.

Now the Waratah Shield only limps along.
 

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Paul McLean (56)
When NSW2s won the National Schools Championships last season, beating NSW1s in the Final, Hugh Jarse and Lee Grant reminded everyone that the same thing happened in 1977.

It was certainly a historic win and cause to hark back to the last time NSW2s had beaten the 1s in a Final.

1977 was the year the Ella brothers played school rugby for Matraville High. Mark and Glen played for NSW2s and Gary played for the 1s.

All 3 made the Aussie Schoolboys team, coached by Matraville High's Geoff Mould. That team toured Great Britain and received rave reviews. Its still referred to as being the greatest Schoolboy team ever.

At one game the entire Welsh rugby team stood and applauded the great display of running rugby by the Aussies. It was a star studded team. Wally Lewis couldnt crack it for a starting spot ahead of Mark Ella. Ricky Stewart played scrum half.

Im not sure how many of that team were from public schools but there used to be strong schoolboy competitions in Sydney played on a Wednesday. It would be interesting to know how many from that team were from public schools.

The Waratah Shield was fiercely contested. Matraville High won it 5 times. That school produced Russel Fairfax as well as other Randwuck greats and Internationals.

Now the Waratah Shield only limps along.


Yes great tour - i use to have some footage of it on youtube, went to click on it to share and it had been pulled because of "multiple complaints of copy write" fook me, it is sport and good viewing.

I was told on Saturday that the Peninsular Cup was building again (High school).
I also know of significant work being done with 4 local Public High Schools, but the work is being done by grass roots and not our governing bodies.
 
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Yes great tour - i use to have some footage of it on youtube, went to click on it to share and it had been pulled because of "multiple complaints of copy write" fook me, it is sport and good viewing.

I was told on Saturday that the Peninsular Cup was building again (High school).
I also know of significant work being done with 4 local Public High Schools, but the work is being done by grass roots and not our governing bodies.

Grassroots? Local Clubs?

I heard the NSWRU are starting to employ junior development officers. A step forward indeed if its true.
 

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Bob Davidson (42)
He was 10 at the time.
Have a cold shower.

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I think Dominic Vaughan (Newcastle) was the first string half on the tour with backup from Darrell Lester (Joeys) and Michael Egan (Matraville).

Ricky Stuart made the 1985 Aust Schoolboys team to the UK and went on the 1987 Wallaby tour to Argentina. He played in 3 games but no tests.
 
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